July 22, 2010

አባቶችን ወክለው የሚደራደሩት ተደራዳሪዎች ታወቁ

(ደጀ ሰላም፤ ጁላይ 21/2010)፦ ከአምስተኛው ፓትርያርክ ከብፁዕ ወቅዱስ አቡነ ጳውሎስ ሲመት ማግስት ጀምሮ በቤተ ክርስቲያኒቱ የተነሣውን መከፋፈል ለማቆምና በአባቶች መካከልም የተፈጠረውን እስከ መወጋገዝ የሚያደርስ ልዩነት በእርቅ ለመጨረስ በተጀመረው እንቅስቃሴ ቅ/ሲኖዶስ ተወካዮቹን መምረጡ ታወቀ። ከዚህ በፊት መርጧቸው የነበሩትን ሻረ።

ዛሬ ረቡዕ በተካሄደው ስብሰባ ላይ ከዚህ በፊት መርጧቸው የነበሩትንና አሜሪካ ያሉት አባቶች ያልተቀበሏቸውን ልዑካን በመተው አረጋውያን አባቶችን ተክቷል። በዚህም መሠረት ብፁዕ አቡነ በርተሎሜዎስ፣ ብፁዕ አቡነ ቀውስጦስ፣ ብፁዕ አቡነ ናትናኤል፣  ብፁዕ አቡነ አትናቴዎስና ብፁዕ አቡነ ኤልሳዕ ይሸመግሉ ዘንድ ተመርጠዋል። ከእነርሱም ጋር ንቡረ ዕድ ኤልያስ አብርሃ እና መጋቤ ብሉይ ሰይፈ ሥላሴ ዮሐንስ አብረው ይሄዳሉ ተብሎ ይጠበቃል።

ይህ በእንዲህ እንዳለ የአሜሪካን አባቶችን ወክለው ብፁዕ አቡነ መልከ ጼዴቅ፣ ብፁዕ አቡነ ጎርጎርዮስ እና ብፁዕ አቡነ ኤልያስ ይደራደራሉ ተብሏል። የቀድሞውን ፓትርያርክም ሆኑ የአሁኑ በድርድሩ ውስጥ እንደማይገቡ ታውቋል።

ከዚህ በፊት በተደረገው ምርጫ ቅዱስ ሲኖዶስ ወክሏቸው የነበሩትን ተደራዳሪዎች እንደማይቀበሏቸው የአሜሪካዎቹ አባቶች በተናገሩት መሠረት እነዚህ አረጋውያን አባቶች ሊመረጡ ችለዋል ተብሏል።

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

All I know is the fathers and members of this tossed out group were firm on their negotiation terms and Aba Habte (of the America's) refused to accept their terms and threatend to walk away, that is why we have a new team now... well, hope they are firm too, for the sake of the church, otherwise...if it ever comes to something,it will be a fake agreement...

God protect His Church

Tazabiw

Anonymous said...

I am not sure where you are getting you news from, but if what you are stating is true, please reveal the names of the original group that were rejected by the abatoch outside of Ethiopia. There was no such rejection. ... The initial proposal indicates that from both sides only church fathers that were Papasat prior to Aba Paulos taking over the position were to be considered for the discussion ... For two reasons:
1) They were part of the the original issue/mistake that got the Church here.
2) the issue of giving legitimacy for the papasat that were officiated by both Abune Paulos and Abune Merkorios.

One last point, Abune Merkorios will not take part in the dialog for the same reason Abune Paulos is not in the negotiation team. If it is God's will that there be progress, the two will meet and hold discussions ... in time ...

Anonymous said...

አቤቱ ሁሉ የማይሳንህ እግዚአብሔር ሆይ ይህ እርቅ አንተ የምትገኝበት፣ የሰው ልጆች ጠላት ሰይጣን የሚርቅበት ፈቃድህ የሚፈጸምበት ይሁን።

ቸር ወሬ ያሰማን

chalie Afeowrk said...

ብፁዕ አቡነ መልከ ጼዴቅ († 1951-2002 ዓ.ም)

"እንኳንስ ተለያይተን፤ አንድ ሆነንም አንችለውም። ዘመኑ እኩይ ነው። ዘመኑ ክፉ ነው ወገኖቼ" ብፁዕ አቡነ መልከ ጼዴቅ ሊቀ ጳጳስ

Anonymous said...

May the benvolent give us,our fathers and our church His mercy and unity.
BROTHERS AND SISTERS,IF YOU REALLY WANT UNITY OF OUR CHURCH,JUST PRAY AND LET THE SPIRIT OF GOD DOES THE JOB.WE SAID A LOT FOR YEARS,AND NOW IS THE TIME FOR GOD TO WORK AND WE TO PRAY.

ሰላም ተዋሕዶ Selam - Tewahedo said...

አምላካችን እግዚአብሔር ሆይ ! በቤተ ክርስቲያን ከሚቀልዱ ፤ ግፍ ከሚሠሩና ፖሊተከኞች ነን ከሚሉ ኢ-አማንያን እጅና አመራር ቤተ ክርስቲያንህን ታወጣት ዘንድ ስለቤተክርስቲያን ስትል ባፈሰስከው ደምህና በቆረስከው ሥጋህ እንለምንሃለን ፡፡ መለያየት በመካካላቸው ገብቶ የተለያዩትን አገልጋዮችህ የሆኑ አባቶቻችንንም በሃሳባቸው ሁሉ አንድ እንድታደርግለን እንማጸንሃለን፡፡ አሜን፡፡

Anonymous said...

It is good to have Unfication accross one church. "SEYITANE NA TELATE YIFERE"

God will help us and let us prey

awudemihiret said...

The first Anonymous..Who is Aba Habte?If you mean Abune Merkorios,You would not be for peace.Not only the Americans but also the Ethiopian had to accept their term.Please don not push toward one side.

God saves His House!

Getachew said...

The good thing is that the presence of both sides to negotiate.That means both sides belive in the existance of problem and the necessity of avoiding it.It is a good begning.

Since the origin of the problem is more political,let us see the political enviroment to some extent.What political Enviroment situations are now contributing for the positive out come of the discussion.

1.On the side of EPRDF. Now EPRDF is in many tention enviroment.Extreem muslims movement,Somalia case,Nile river issue,unknown Djibuti stand,forgid election result,now Aba Pawlon endless money minded character.Meles fears too any issue raised through religion.This is becouse he don't have know how of religion issues.If you don't know something you will fear to act either positively or negatively.He needs to solve the division of ETHIOPIA CHRCH IN AMERICA.Becouse his oppositions are hiding and organizing in the name of the church.He realized too most young generation like Mahibere Kidusan is not in agree with BETEKIHNET ACTIVITY. Now the solution is to solve the problem in any means and try to satisfy all.

2. Fathers in America. They are not moving by their own idea.The remote is under the control of opposition powers.But this is becoming a history.Becouse these days the people in America is asking the question of who is benefiting from Ethiopia church division? Is it the church's pre-existed thought? is it possible to run political idea through church both spritually and morally? ...etc questions are rising particularly from young generation like Mahibere Kidusan.

3.The clear danger of Extreem Islamic movemetn reqiuest a unity of the church.This is a bitter truth for super power nations who have a deep strategic interest in the horn of Africa.Ethiopia is the only nation with over 60 million christian in the region.South Sudan refredom needs brotherly support from Ethiopia.Such positive relation may not make happy the expanding extreem muslim movement from Sudan north and other "Arabian" countries.

So what will be the result?
I think the positive result will be if both sides do like this.What they should do?
1. Abune Pawlos side.
It is now quite known that Abune Pawlos era is ended.I think Meles knows more than me.All roads are showing this.Even his built monument at Bole Debre salem Medhane Alem will show us his very end fraction of second.So now the time is to put him with his grace peacefully.But his down step from the position of pathriaric should be able to solve togather the problem of the church with America Fathers.So BE ANDI DINGAY HULET WEFI ENDILU, the backed power of Abune Pawlos-EPRDF should not only step down him but cure the wound of BE PATRIARIC LAY PATRIARIC.What should be done? I THINK BETEKIHNET AND EPRDF SHOULD RECOGNIZE ABUNE MERKORIOS AS PATHRIARIC,BRING TO ETHIOPIA WITH ALL FATHERS AND GIVE THEM THEIR LIFE PENTION PAYMENT AND GIVE THEM TO LIVE WHERE EVER THEY NEED.BUT THEY CAN RECEIVE PROMISE FROM ABUNE MERKORIOS NOT TO STAY AS PATHRIARIC BY GIVING A REASON OF AGE.AND THE CHURCH SHOULD HAVE CHANCE TO ELECT A NEW PATHRIARIC WITH FULL AUTHONOMY AND MODERN ADMINISTRATIVE STRACTURE.

2.America Fathers side.
America Fathers could raised their pre-existed requist of BE PATHRIARIC LAY PATHRIARIC issue and ask to step down Abune Pawlos and the return of Abune Merkorios but could be promissed as Abune Merkorios is aged and could not lead the church.This is true.So a new Pathriaric election could be heald through the participation of all fathers (Ethiopia and America).
BUT BEFORE ALL BOTH SIDES SHOULD REMOVE THEIR WIGZET EACH OTHER.
I think this is the best way for all.Other wise the worest will come to the church,EPRDF,Oposition powers and the history of mankind too.
yikoyen
Getachew

gb22 said...

gb22 continues...
So what will be the result?
I think the positive result will be if both sides do like this.What they should do?
1. Abune Pawlos side.
It is now quite known that Abune Pawlos era is ended.I think Meles knows more than me.All roads are showing this.Even his built monument at Bole Debre salem Medhane Alem will show us his very end fraction of second.So now the time is to put him with his grace peacefully.But his down step from the position of pathriaric should be able to solve togather the problem of the church with America Fathers.So BE ANDI DINGAY HULET WEFI ENDILU, the backed power of Abune Pawlos-EPRDF should not only step down him but cure the wound of BE PATRIARIC LAY PATRIARIC.What should be done? I THINK BETEKIHNET AND EPRDF SHOULD RECOGNIZE ABUNE MERKORIOS AS PATHRIARIC,BRING TO ETHIOPIA WITH ALL FATHERS AND GIVE THEM THEIR LIFE PENTION PAYMENT AND GIVE THEM TO LIVE WHERE EVER THEY NEED.BUT THEY CAN RECEIVE PROMISE FROM ABUNE MERKORIOS NOT TO STAY AS PATHRIARIC BY GIVING A REASON OF AGE.AND THE CHURCH SHOULD HAVE CHANCE TO ELECT A NEW PATHRIARIC WITH FULL AUTHONOMY AND MODERN ADMINISTRATIVE STRACTURE.

2.America Fathers side.
America Fathers could raised their pre-existed requist of BE PATHRIARIC LAY PATHRIARIC issue and ask to step down Abune Pawlos and the return of Abune Merkorios but could be promissed as Abune Merkorios is aged and could not lead the church.This is true.So a new Pathriaric election could be heald through the participation of all fathers (Ethiopia and America).
BUT BEFORE ALL BOTH SIDES SHOULD REMOVE THEIR WIGZET EACH OTHER.
I think this is the best way for all.Other wise the worest will come to the church,EPRDF,Oposition powers and the history of mankind too.
yikoyen

Dan said...

ችግሩ አሜሪካና ኢትዮጵያ ያሉ ጳጳሳት (ሁሉም የክህነት ሥልጣናቸው ጵጵስና ነው

- ፓትርያርክ (አባት ማለት ነው) ሊቀ ጳጳስ ማዕረግ እንጂ ስልጣን አይደለም::

ጳጳስ/ሊቀ ጳጳስ የሚሾመው በቤተ ክርስቲያን ሽማግሌዎች በተመደበበት አገር ግዛት ክልል የወንጌል ትምህርት ክርስትና ሊያስተምር ሊያስፋፋ: ለተበደሉ ለተቸገሩ ድምጽ ለሌላቸው በቤተ ክርስቲያን ስም ሊቆምላቸው ከበታቹ ሆነው ለወንጌል ሥራ ለተሰማሩ ወንጌላውያን (ቄስ ዲያቆን) መሪና አርአያ መሆን::

ፓትርያርክ - ሁሉን በፍቅር (ፍቅር ነው የእግዚአብሔርን ልጅ ክዙፋኑ አውርዶ እስከ መስቀል ያደረሰው ) የሚሰበስብ የሚያስተምር ለሁሉ አባት እረኘ ጠባቂ ማለት ነው::

የቤተ ክርስቲያናችን ትልቁ ችግር ከፓትርያርክ ጀምሮ ጳጳስ ቄስ ዲያቆን
ጌታችን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስን ለመከተል ጌታችን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስን ለመምሰል: ሐዋርያትን ለመምስል ራሳቸውን ያዘጋጁ ጥቂት ናቸው::

ክርስትናን ከሁሉ በፊት እንደመቀበላችን ቢሆን ወንጌልን ክርስትናን በኢትዮጵያ በአፍሪካ በሌላውም እናስፋፋ ነበር::

የኛ ቤተ ክርስቲያን መሪዎች ከባለ ሥልጣን ጋር ተስማምተው በድሎትና በቅንጦት መኖር::

ያልተማረውም (ወንጌልን) ለነሱ እየሰገደ መሾም ነው የሚፈልገው::

ክርስቶስን በመከተላቸው ሕይወታቸው ምሳሌ የነበሩ በብዙዎች ይናቁ የነበሩ እንደነ ፓትርያርክ አቡነ ተክለ ሃይማኖት ያሉ በጣም ጥቂት ስለሆኑ ቤተ ክርስቲያናች አደጋና ችግር ላይ ናት::

እንደተረቱ ውዝምብር ግርግር ለሌባ ይመቻል እንዲሉ (ቢታረቁም ባይታረቁም )
የነሱ እንካስላንታ መወጋግዝ -
በቤተ ክርስቲያን ውዝግብ ንትርክ -
የደሃን ሃብት መስረቅ
ሃውልት ማቆም:
ለአክራሪ እስልምና በር እየከፈተ ነው::


አሜሪካም ያሉት በሥልጣን ላይ ሳሉ እንዴት ነበሩ?

የችግራችን መፍትሔ ለቤተ ክርስቲያን
መሪ የሚሆን ብቃቱን መንፈሳዊነቱን የሚመዝን
ስርአት እስከሌለን ድረስ ዘለቄታ ያለው አይሆንም;;

ድካማችንን እንደማስወገድ አመራራችንን እንደማረም ይሄ ተሓድሶ ነው ይሄ ኑፋቄ ነው ይሄ ካቶሊክ ነው ይሄ ፕሮቴስታንት ነው ማለት ምክንያት መስጠት ነው::

ማለት ያለብን
ማነው ትክክለኛው የክርስቶስ ተከታይ ኦርቶዶክሳዊ እረኛ አስተማሪ ??

selamawi said...

በስመ ስላሴ አahዱ አምላክ አሜን

እግዚአብሔር ይመስገን የሰላም ጭላጭል እያየን ነው መሰለኝ አይደል? የሰይጣንን ጉልበቱን ያድክምልን ጌታችን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ በቅዱስ መስቀሉ እራስ እራሱን ቀጥቅጦ ከእግራችን በታች ይጣልልን የተመረጡት አባቶች በተለይ ከኢትዮጵያው ቅዱስ ሲኖዶስ ያሉት አባቶች ቤተክርስቲያናችን አላት የምንላቸው አባቶች ስለሆኑ ለሰላሙ በር ከፋች እንደሚሆኑ አንጠራጠርም በአሜሪካ በኩል ካለው ሲኖዶስ ከቀረቡት አባቶች ትንሽ የምፈራቸው አቡነ መልከጼዴቅን ነው እሳቸውም ቢሆን በአሁኑ ሰዓት ቤተክርስቲያን በነሱ የተነሳ የደረሰባት ውርደት ሳይሰማቸው የሚቀር አይመስለኝም ዋናው ነገር ሁላችንም አባቶቻችን ወደ ሰላም እንዲመጡ ግፊት እናድርግ በተለይ በቅርባቸው ሆነን ጥሩ ያልሆነ ምክር እየሰጠን በእነሱም ሆነ በቤተክርስቲያን ላይ መጥፎ ታሪክ የምናስቀምጥ ለሆዳችን ያደርን ግለሰቦች ከእንደዚህ ያለ ሰይጣናዊ ድርጊታችን እንቆጠብ እስካሁን ለደረሰው መጥፎ ነገር ሁሉ ተጠያቂዎቹ እነሱ ብቻ ሳይሆኑ ከጎናቸው ቆመን ክፉ እንጅ በጎ እንዳይሰሩ እየከለከልን ወደ አልሆነ አቅጣጫ ስንመራ የነበርን ሁላችን እዚህ ላይ ይብቃን , ያለፈው ዘመን ይበቃችኋል ነው የተባለው ,, በጎውን ያሰማን

Anonymous said...

ሳሙኤል፡ዘአሰቦት፡said...

"የእግዚአብሔር ሰገነት ሲቀየር በጣዖት፣
በቅዱሱ ሥፍራ ሲፈጸም እርኩሰት፣
በአደባባይ ሲታይ ሰይጣን አካል ነሥቶ፣
ከዚህ የበለጠ ምን ይመጣል ከቶ?"

አግናጤዎስ፡ዘጋስጫ፡በኒህ፡ስንኞች፡እንደጻፈ
ው፡አሁንም፡በክርስቶስ፡መስቀል፡ላይ፡የተለጠ
ፉት፡የጳጳሳት፡ፎቶዎች፡ግድፈት፡ነው።ይወገ
ድ።የጣዖቱም፡ሐውልት፡በንዲህ፡ያለ፡ሥራ፡ተ
መቻችቶለት፡ነው፡ሊቆም፡የበቃውና፡ለዚህ፡ሁ
ሉ፡ጥፋት፡የተዳረግነው።እርማትን፡ከራስ፡መጀ
መር፡ደግ፡ነው።

ከላይ፡የተለጠፈው፡ፎቶ፡ከጣዖቱ፡አይለይም።
ስህተት፡ስህተት፡መባል፡አለበት!

እግዚኦ፡መሐረነ፡ክርስቶስ!አሜን።

ሳሙኤል፡ዘአሰቦት

Anonymous said...

The so called "exiled sinodos" has transformed itself into a protestant organization. You are watching what goes on in Ethiopia under Abune Paulos. Abune Paulos may not be different from protestant aba habte and protestant yehaset timihrt sebaki aba woldetensay; but he has shown a fair degree of restraint from imposing protestant theology on the Church. However painful his leadership may be to the laity, it would be much better he was not in league with the protestant sidetegna tebyes. Their joining him will do much more damage to the Church. It is their anti-Christ dispositions that sent Ethiopia down the path of curse in the first place.

gb22 said...

Our church's current problem is beyond our expectation.I can summerized the bad acts of the MAFIA team in BETE KIHNET:-
1/ Money-minded,
2/ racist,
3/ dictator,
4/ full of sabotage and
5/ criminal
These are not accepteble by the Orthodox basic thought as well as with human law.

Yes the solution as one comentator mentioned above is to have
-a true follower of Orthodox TEWAHIDO,
-Typical example in provision of spritual service to people,
-Non-discriminitary and
-Deep spritual Orthodoxian prist,Deacon and Papas.
Our measurments of sprituality are alive.They were working for over two thousand years.The remaining task is bringing and magnifing the pre-existed TEWAHIDO's basic thought with modern functional administrative stracture.

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