October 10, 2009

ተሐድሶና የተሐድሶዎች ነገር

(ደጀ ሰላም፤ ኦክቶበር 10/2009)፦ባለፉት ጥቂት ወራት በደጀ ሰላማችን ላይ በተካሄዱትና በመካሔድ ላይ ባሉት የሐሳብ ልውውጦች ደጀ-ሰላማውያን ብዙ ተምረናል፣ ብዙም ታዝበናል። ዋናው ምክንያተ-ጡመራችን የቤተ ክርስቲያናችን ወቅታዊ ችግር እና መፍሔውን የተመለከተ ቢሆንም ከዚህ ጋር የማይገናኙ ነገር ግን ጊዜያችንንና ስሜታችንን የሚሻሙና የሚረብሹ አስተያየቶችም ሲሰነዘሩ ከርመዋል።

ያንን ለማስተካከልና በበሰለ መንገድ ለመወያየት የሚከተለውን ማሳሰቢያም ሰጥተን ነበር።
Dear Dejeselamaweyan,
Please be civil and Christian when you post your comments. Unchristian and heretic comments are no more tolerated.
ውድ ደጀ ሰላማውያን፣
በሰለጠነና ክርስቲያናዊ በሆነ መንገድ አስተየቶቻችሁን እንድትሰጡ ትለመናላችሁ። ከዚህ በሁዋላ ኢ-ክርስቲያናዊና የኑፋቄ አሽክላ የሚዘሩ አስተያየቶችን አንታገስም።
ቸር ወሬ ያሰማን።
ደጀ ሰላም
ይሁን እንጂ አሁንም በዚህ የጡመራ መድረክ ላይ የሚቀመጡ ርዕሶችን ሳይከተሉ፣ የወንድሞቻቸውንና የእህቶቻቸው ደጀ-ሰላማውያንንም ምክር ሳይቀበሉ እንደፈቀዳቸው የሚሳደቡ አጋጥመውናል። የሚገርመው ግን ስድቡ ከ90% በላይ ማ.ቅዱሳን ላይ ያነጣጠረ ሲሆን ይህንን ስድብ አስፍተውና አምልተው ለማካሄድም አንዲት ብሎግ ጀምረዋል (ስሟን ቄስ ይጥራው፣ እኛስ አንጠራትም)። ይህንን ሁሉ አንባብያን ታግሰዋል። አሁን ደግሞ ይባስ ብለው “ተሐድሶ የሚባል የለም፤ ውሸት ነው። ማ.ቅዱሳን ነው የፈጠረው” ሲሉ ተሰሙ። ብዙ የኦርቶዶክስ ልጆች ግሩም ግሩም መልስ የሰጣችሁ ቢሆንም ይህንን አጀንዳ ያለምንም አስተያየት ላለማለፍ ከአምስት ዓመታት በፊት (በ2003) http://www.dskmariam.org በተባለ ድረ ገጽ ላይ በዚሁ ርዕስ ዙሪያ የተደረጉ እልህ አስጨራሽ ክርክሮችን ትመለከቱ ዘንድ እንጋብዛችኋለን። ለአብነትም እንዲሆን አንድ ፀሐፊ በጊዜው አቅርበውት የነበረውን አንድ መጠነኛ ጽሑፍ እናቀርብላችኋለን።
http://www.dskmariam.org/forum/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26&PN=1&TPN=1

ቸር ወሬ ያሰማን፣
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IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN.

Tehadso VS Reformation ?

When I start to write about the “reformation “ movement in the EOTC, I could presume how difficult it could be since the story involves people whom we know, admire, are relatives to us and sometimes related in many ways than who are them of heresy. Whatever the case may be, I don’t refrain from sharing you the experiences I have regarding the movement, and I beg your objectivity in dealing with the facts I try to shade light up on.

It was in the beginning of the 80s (all calendars are in Ethiopian), that for the first time I came across a kind of non-orthodox attitudes entertained in the orthodox church . I did not know whether it was an organized and long lasting work or a sporadic, personal and individualised trial by some personalities. The major reason which uncovered it was , which later pointed to the deepest conspiracy they plotted against the church. I hope my readers may remember the then Trinity Cathedral < Sunday School >, and its protestant congregation. Many people were against that gubae only for the fact that the music was . Please read on !!

After the change of government, and arguably after the proclamation of freedom of belief,
People start to uncover their masks and come to the front with what ever they think is good for the church. The situation in the church has contributed a lot for their confidence in a way that the church looks with out a leader. In 1984 E.C a group long closed for its heretic deeds start to regroup itself and manipulated the chaos in BETEKIHINET to start its previous activity openly and with out any shame in the arena of the EOTC head office. Protestant preachers were invited to give sermons, their singers were free to use the stage, because according to the rule of this group /called / rule, any body under any Christian denomination, whether he is orthodox or not, was invited to be a member that the orthodox church was unofficially controlled by its adversaries ; the teaching of the holy fathers was thrown away in a very dramatic manner. The fathers who were supposed to correct errors were tied up by the then political unrest that they were handcuffed to do any good. As far as I remember the chaos managed to prolong not for less than a year when the REAL aim of the movement start to uncover. HOW?

A young man from one of the Sunday schools in the southern parts of Ethiopia came up with a document of immense importance which sheds light up on a hidden movement which manifests itself in a new way of MEZMUR. According to the document again , the real name of the movement was named after AMANUEL (please do not misunderstand me for every group and TSIWA by the name of AMMANUEL), and it was not a sporadic challenge to the teachings of the church rather, an organization with strong resources, and not to mention the least with strong financial resources, and very chiefly and dangerously, aimed at a hundred percent destruction of the church of Ethiopia. As far as my memory is concerned, I remember a statement which to this day strikes me hard- although I can not quote it word for word- but which says < to change the church – in to Protestantism- with out building another church or with out a need to look for another place to worship .>
The protestantization process of Ethiopians by nagging them in every corners of the country did prove to be of no avail that they planned to change the church from inside out ; they came up with the idea we are discussing now , until God revealed the secret of the Angel who was thrown from his place.
The over all method could be summarized in the following manner:

As many westerners usually write and as we may guess, some of the clergy are seen as not knowledgeable of the teachings of the church, and many anti-orthodox preachers have tried to manipulate their says by firing some biblical quotations which they think proves the EOTC to be wrong. Unlike this unwise activity, the leaders of the Tehadiso movement planed to control the clergy, by which ever means possible, whether it is money, or ethnicity, or disagreement among the priests etc.. to do what they need. As a result they managed to go as far as assigning their members and sympathisers in seminaries and monasteries; Sunday schools and BETEKIHINET. Unlike the traditional PENTEWOCH , Tehadso members are disguised under our fathers clothing and regarded as monks, preachers, priests, and Sunday school students.
They have tried to present their idea to the public consumption, as if they need the kind of protestant MEZMUR entertained here in our Sunday schools. Many people think that is not < a big deal, and it could not be presented a s a reason for somebody to be excommunicated as if he is a heretic>. I agree !!! But the main thing was not MEZMUR. To this day, it takes my breath when I think of their methodology. They know as many orthodox laities do a kind of protestant songs. Thus, they undermined every body to buy their idea that they needed to use it as a sheep skin. But it was uncovered, God willing, to save the church He shade His blood for. To save His children. To save guard His teaching. He revealed their secret through the man they trusted to have given them his heart. This man managed to come up with this invaluable document, which any body may see it from the archives of BETEKIHINET. The holy synod did finally made this dangerous movement public and excommunicated its members.

WHAT IS THEIR TEACHING ?

In my opinion, to answer this question one should understand the teachings and beliefs of the church; what we believe, what our dogma (corner stone of our belief) is ; and what the untouchable creed is. We could simply generalise by pointing to our daily prayer(the creed, TSELOTE HAIMANOT; anybody can get it from WIDASE MARIAM ,yezewetir tselot) and conclude our discussion. But it is not that easy to do so; and it will not clearly tell the danger paused by the Tehadiso members.
According to the teachings of our church, there are two things that we should note: dogma and canon (SIRAT). The first one is the never changeable one. We can not change our belief in Silassie (trinity) or that Christ is God, He came to save the world; KIDUS KURBAN, the holy communion is the true flesh and blood of Christ; Saints do intercede on our behalf etc…
The later, the second, one can be corrected by the holy synod when the need arises. For example, we need 5 people- two priests and 3 deacons- to serve a mass- but due to problems there are some places, especially in the Diaspora, where only one priest and a deacon do serve. That is not heretic -NUFAKE. It is corrected based on the problems we have. Besides we change the time when to start the KIDASE, as it suites us. But we did not and will not and can not change the KIDUS KURBAN from wheat and wine (SINDE & WINE) to maize or (BEKOLO) and juice !!!
People may be allowed to enter the church with their shoes on for the fact that the buildings may not have carpets and it will be very dangerous not to do so. But if there is no this kind of problem, we pursue in our tradition.

DOES THE CHURCH NEED TEHADISO?

Based on the above principle this question needs a thorough investigation. We can not reform our dogma. If we do we can no more be orthodox. But the canon can be corrected. For this correction as well, there is a procedure, and anybody can not do it. According to the tradition of the apostles, the legal body to do this is the HOLY SYNOD. Not a single preacher, a single MAHIBER, or a single ASTEDADARI OR SEBAKI. These people can present their ideas to the synod and the synod can do what it should be done. This is the Biblical way of doing things.
One writer of this forum has mentioned the Coptic church passing through a , and in turn suggests to accept the ideals of Tehadiso. If this kind of organizational and structural adjustment could be regarded as REFORMATION ,I do accept it. But unfortunately the writer does not understand what the real meaning and goal of a REFORMATION is. In this regard, our church need to do a lot of job. We need the fathers to be ONE. We need them to be united, letting their fleshly differences aside, and work for the One Religion handed down to us. We need the preachers to be better educated, the management of BETEKIHINET, whether it is back home or in the Diaspora, to be better than we see. Etc…etc…
But this is not REFORMATION OR TEHADISO. The tehadiso we are opposing is the protestantization of our believers.
Generally, this is not the main reason to label somebody as he is MENAFIK or not. Please take note what these people believe and what they want us to accept.
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WHAT DOES TEHADISO TEACH?

Like their teachers, they regard the Lord Jesus Christ as AMALAJ; and in turn do not accept the intercession (AMALAJINET) of the saints. Their publications and teachings try to materialize this idea; but unlike the PENTE proper, they do not quote flimsy ideas rather they use the Geez language to astonish their readers. They use other literatures of the church as far they think it substantiates their ideals: Digwa…, Seatat, gedlat etc.. If my readers do not see what I mean I urge to read other publications which discuss this idea in detail. Their heretic teaching about the Lord, makes them to err in other teachings as well: they do not accept celibacy (the need of being a monk); TSOM etc….etc. !!!!!!!!!!!
Is not this what we should not oppose ? Is not this against the teachings of our church?
HOW DO WE OPPOSE MENAFIKAN

There are biblical procedures when somebody is labelled as a MENAFIK and is excommunicated(MEWEGEZ). It needs the procedure I mentioned above about changing a canon. But sometimes, some believers may get upset and do what they are not supposed to do. This does not mean that we should set aside and leave everything for the holy synod. We have many duties to do. All of us should be guards of the church. This is not to be "a catholic better than a pope".
In the mean time, there comes the question of YEMEZMUR MESARIAWOCH; which I should not deal here and , God willing, I may try to substantiate and make a parallel to the Tehadiso movement some other time.

For the time being, let me stop here.
I am very willing to accept any kind of comments and I am of course willing to make correction if I err.
With love,
Insermu

48 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you for bringing this valuable info and insight.

I only pray that anyone who doesn't still see the problem may see it before his/her day is gone, and anyone who does see the point may NOT say: ካፈርኩ አይመልሰኝ።

To make a mistake, or to be deceived, is but human. To repent and thus to return to the right (Orthodox) way is but what makes us Chirstian.

ጻድቅ ሰው ሰባት ጊዜ ይወድቃልና (ሰባት ጊዜም ግን) ይነሣል!

እባካችን፦ እኛ እንነሣና ይችን ቤተክሲያን ይችንም አገር እናንሣት። ወደቀደመ ክብሯ ትመለስ ዘንድ።

Zmekane Eyesus said...

I am glad to hear a comprehensive excerpt about Tehadiso. But this is the beginning not the end. We need a continuous discussion on this matter after our primary problems where solved: lets focus on MK and the coming Synod meeting. For Tehadiso, there are lots of things we need to talk. I appreciate the contributor.

Anonymous said...

Could you please, dont change the subject of our church problem in this time. First of all Tehadiso is not a new religion. So we don't have to compare with Tewahido.

If Tehadiso is not Tewahedo why bother in the issue. It is not belongs to here, please dont wast time we have a lot to do about our church.

After all there is a freedom of religion, who ever wants to follow so please be smart in this topic we are not fighting over personal freedom.

God bless us all

Samrawit said...

ብራቮ ደጀሰላም ብላችሁ ብላችሁ ድግሞ የመናፍቃን ሆናችሁ። እናንተስ ስንት ተቀበላችሁት የመናፍቁ ዲያቆን ጽሑፎች ለእኛ ለማስነበብ?

ደጀ-ሰላም said...

Dear Samrawit,

What do you mean? I dont think you read what we have posted. Please take your time and read it one more time.
Cher Were Yaseman,
DS

Anonymous said...

dejeselamoch nededachu.

ድፋባቸው said...

ምን የመናፍቃን የእውራን እንጂ።

Waldba said...

የእነሱ ነገር መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ መግለጥ ነው!

solomon said...

ቤተክርስትያንን የሚጠብቃት እግዚአብሔር ነው፤ ሰውም አይደለም።
ክርስትና የተመሰረተችው በክርስቶስ ደም ነው፤ በገንዘብ ወይንም በጎራዴ አይደለም።ስልጣን ሲያገኙ ቤ/ክን የሚያጠፏት የሚመስላቸው ብዙ አሉ እነርሱ ትግሉ ከአምላክ ጋር መሆኑን አያውቁም።ቤ/ክ ሁልጊዜም ፈተና ተለይቷት አያውቅም።ተሸንፋ ደግሞ አታውቅም።የፈተናው አይነት እንደ ጊዜውና እንደፈታኞቹ ይለያያል፤ ለአንበሳ ተሰጥተዋል፤ በእሳት ተቃጥለዋል።በኛ ሀገርም ቢሆን በነዮዲት ጉዲት እና በመሀመድ ግራኝ ተጨፍጭፈዋል ግን የሚጠብቃት እግዚአብሔር ስላለ ከመጥፋት ታድጓታል።ትንሽ እንዳረፈች ካቶሊክጣልያን መድፏን በ ካርዲናሏ አስባርካ በመርዝ ጭስ ታጅባ ምእመናንን ገደለች ቤተክርስትያን ግን አለች።እግዚአብሔር አልተለያትም።ዛሬ ደግሞ ያሳደገቻቸው ልጆቿ በስጋ ጥቅም ታውረው ያእግዚአብሔርን መንጋ ከመጠበቅ ቸላ ብለዋል።የባሰባቸው ሆዳቸው አምላካቸው የሆነባቸው ከጠላቶቿ ጋር ተሻርከዋል ፤ተምረው ትርጓሜው የጠፋባቸው እንደራሳቸው ፈቃድ የተመሩ ደግሞ በወላዋይነት ከዚህም ከዚያም ይቀላውጣሉ፤ፊደል ቆጠርን ዘመናዊ ትምህርት ተማርን የሚሉቱ አታስፈልግም ይሏታል ያለአምላክ ሊኖሩ ይፈልጋሉ ፤ግን አይችሉም።
በመሰረቱ መንፈሳዊነት መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ በማወቅ፤ብሉይናሐዲስ በማጥናት ብቻ አይመጣም፤ዲያቢሎስም መጽሐፍ ጠቅሶ አምላኩን ፈትኖታል፤ክርስትና ከእውቀት ይልቅ ፍቅር ትፈልጋለች፤እውቀትን በዌብሳይት ስለገለጡ ብዙ ቋንቋ ስለተናገሩ ክርስቲያን ሆኑ ማለት አይደለም።የቤተከርስቲያን ጠበቃ ለመሆን የመጽሐፍ አዋቂ መሆን ወይንም በማህበር መደራጀት ተጨማሪ ነገሮች ናቸው እንጅ ግድ አይደሉም።ዘመኑን መዋጀት እንደሚገባ ግን መረሳት የለበትም።
በቅርብ ብቅ ያሉና የማ/ቅዱሳን አሰራር ለስጋዊ ኑሮአቸው ያልተመቻቸው፤አላማው ያልገባቸው፤አላማውን በተለየ መንገድ የተገነዘቡት፤በጠላትነት የተነሱበት ይህ ማህበር ይፍረስ ይላሉ።እንደ እኔ ማ/ቅዱሳን በግፍ ቢበተን ቤ/ክርስቲያን ትጠቀም እንደሆን እንጅ አትጎዳም::ብዙ ማፍራት ይችላል።ዘር’ኮ 60 ና100 የሚያፈራው ሲዘራ እንጅ ሲጠራቀም አይደለም።ዝናብ (መከራ) ሊመጣ ግድ ነው፡፤የሳምሶን ቀበሮዎች በእሳት ተለኩሰው ወደፍልስጤም አዝመራ መሄዳቸው ለበጎ ይሆንላቸዋል የጠላትን ከምር ያቃጥላሉ።ለመስዋእትነት የበቃ ከሆነ ይህ የመንግስት ማስፈራሪያ ለማህበሩ ሽልማት ነው።
ማ/ቅዱሳን ደግሞ አባቶች በትህትና ወይንም በፍርሀት ያልተናገሩትን በሀገራችን የሰው ደም ፈሰሰ ፍትህ ጠፋ ቤተክህነት ምዝበራ ተካሄደባት፤ ካህናትን ለመንግስት ከማጎብደድ ይልቅ ለእውነትና ላምላክ ቅናት ይኑራችሁ ሊሉ ይገባል እላለሁ።

ማህበሩ ቢበተን እግዚአብሄር የራሱ የሆነ ሽ ማሕበረ ቅዱሳን ያስነሳል፤አንድ እስጢፋኖስ ቢሞት 8000 ማህበራት ተገኙ፤ቅዱስ ጳውሎስም ተጠራ።አምላካችን እነርሱ ከሚያዩት ይልቅ ብዙ ህዝብ አለው።1% የተዋጣ ገንዘብ ቢወስዱ ሙሉ ደሞዙን ለቤተክርስቲያን አገልግሎት ሊሰጥ የተዘጋጀ ማህበርመሆኑን አላወቁም።
የእግዚአብሄር ቸርነት የድንግል ማርያም ምልጃ ከሁላችን ጋር ሁን።

Anonymous said...

egeg brtam asfelage merega selehone betam enameateftketsuhufu titlewecheeyegebu legnmsebyastemrunle.

Haymanot said...

I think you need to change Deje Betbit. All I read is invectives and hate-mongering.

Ethiopia is not a nation of one group. You are short-sighted and uninformed because what you are doing in reality undermines your own agenda.

I doubt you are real Orthodox. You are simply using Orthodox faith so sow enmity between people. I just think you are playing some political game.

"Yaltefanew ke-Egziabher chernet ye-tenesa newu."

Anonymous said...

The guy with the sydoname "Haymanot". Untill today you were arguing that there is not "Tehadiso, Tebetiso, teqentiso". Remember? Now we proved you wrong. So you better shut your cursing mouth and go where you belong. We dont want to argue about you, the heretics, rather discuss our own internal problems. OK?

Bye

Anonymous said...

I don't want to be Tehadisso or Tebetisso.But I don't believe as well that Abune Teklehaimanot made the devil a monk or "Tabotu ALHEDIM ALE.EOC members shouldn't be ashamed of correcting her AWALID Books. TEAMIRUAN SEMTO YEHEDE ENDEQOREBE YIQOTERLETAL,YEMEHAMED MIST GIMEL NAT....WAKE UP ORTHODOX.

Anonymous said...

Dear brothers and sisters have you heard the news that 15% of Ethiopian are mentally ill.I am sure most of them are racist,religious extremists,Tehadissos',Agazis' ...I am not sure if there are some in EOC the so called Holy Synod????

Ze Dima Giorgis said...

Wedaje Anonymos endih bileh yetsafkewin anebebnew.

{"But I don't believe as well that Abune Teklehaimanot made the devil a monk or "Tabotu ALHEDIM ALE.EOC members shouldn't be ashamed of correcting her AWALID Books. "} anonymus

As You said the book says like that.Let me remind u one story from the Bible.

Nabukedentsor,thought that he is the zenith ( highest ) of all. and God punished him for thinking so. Do u know what the punishment was : he became beast.Human became beast.he was eating grass like an ox.he went to wilderness( bereha), hereunder it says like this

"And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will"
Daniel 5:21.

remind God has the power to make human a beast and otherwise. This power is also given for saints .

"If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. " Mattew 17:20
yesenafich kintat tahil emnet binorachu....

TABOTU ALHEDIM ALE LALKEW

"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail" YUHANIS RAEY 11:19

TABOTU ALHEDIM MALETU NEW YEGEREMEH? MEBREKINA DIMTSE NEGORGUAD, YEMERET MENKETKET , MEKSEFT WEZETE YAMETAL .

tHE OTHER POINT U RAISED WAS ALSO ABOUT CAMEL, KURBAN ( EUCHARIST )

. AGAIN I INVITE U TO READ THIS
"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mark 4:10, Luke 8:9
" lemin bemisale tinageraleh alut"
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. mATTEW 13:10

"AFEN BEMISALE EKEFTALEHU" MATTEW14:35

WHEN CHRIST TEACHES, HE USE TERMS LIKE SHEEP AND GOAT. DO U THINK THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT AN ANIMAL: SHEEP OR GOAT. oH NO. MISALE MALET YIHE NEW. IT IS CALLED PARABLE.

gIMEL SIBAL MIN MALET ENDEHONE MISALEWIN TEREDA. LELAWINIM ENDEZAW.Tewahido yekirstos natina ,ende kirstos tinageralech.

BETEREFE ORTHODOX HAYMANOTACHIN YENEKACH YETSENACH NAT. ANTE GIN KEENKILIFIH TENESANA NIKA.
you yourself wake up.

ze Dima Giorgis said...

Yikirta, dear anonymos, i missed ur last point about additional books u raised.( awalid. ) and i want to add some points

1. go to andegna negest 4:32 Solomon 3 shi misalewoch tenagere yilihal. metshaf kidus lay yalew gin kuterew. betam tinish new lelaw yet geba?

2. yedawit keriw tarik bebaleraeyu besamuel tarik,benebyu benatan tarik,be bale reayu be gad tarik tsifoal yilihal. esti benezih nebiyatina baleraeyoch yetesafewin metshaf yet endalu nigeregn.
1 zena 29:29

3. be 2 zena 9:30 bitanebew demo " be bale raeyu be ado Metshaf tsifoal yilihal .metshafe ado weyim raeye ado yemil metshaf semteh takaleh .

2 zena 13:22 temesasay neger yinegrhal. esti ye ado metshaf yet endale nigeregn

4.be 2gna zena 20:34 nebiyu eyu metshaf tsafe yilihal. asayegna. yet new yalew

5. be eyasu 10:13 yetederegew tamir be yashir metshaf tesifoal yilihal. yeyashir metshaf yet ale?

endih eyalku bizu tikis esetih
nebere , gin lante yihe yibekahal. yenezihin mels sitifelig awalid malet min malet endehone yigebahal

Ethiopiawi said...

The last Anonymous, you said good 15% of Ethiopian are mental ill.
1. all most all Menafikans
2. some muslim extremists
3. all Tehadisos
4. some Orthodoxs, especialy " hod aderoch and Telalakiwoch

Because they are mentaly ill:
1. their mouth is widely open for insulting others like Haimanot, Tesfa,
2. they kill human beings like our brotheres did in Jimma etc
3.they always searching for money like Aba sereqe and his followers

በተጨማሪም ሰው የሚፈለገውን ማመን ይችላል። እኛ ኦርቶዶክሳዊያን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ አምላክ እንደሆነ እናምናለን፤ሌሎች አማላጅ ነው የሚሉ የራሳቸው ጉዳይ። እኛ በአቡነ ተክለሃይማኖት አማላጅነት እናምናለን፤ ሌሎቹ አያምኑም፣ የራሳቸው ጉዳይ።እኛ ታቦት ኃይል እንዳለው እናምናለን ፤ ሌሎቹ አያምኑም ፣መብታቸው ነው። እኛ በማንነታችን እንኮራለን፤ ሌሎቹ ፈረንጅ ያመልካሉ፣ እንደፈለጉት። እኛ ግብረ ሰዶም ፍጹም ኃጢአት ነው እንላለን፤ ፈረንጅ አምላኪዎች ይሄንን ከሚኮንኑ በቅዱሳን ላይ መሳለቅን ይመርጣሉ፣ ማን ከልካይ አላቸው።
በጠቅላላው እኛ በኢትዮጵያዊነታችን እንኮራለን። ኢትዮጵያም በቁርጥ ቀን ልጆቿ መስዋእትነት ለዘላለም ትኖራለች። ምድሪቷና ሕዝቦቿ የ እግዚአብሔር በመሆናቸው።

ze dima giorgis said...

Wedaje anonymos, ahunim techemari mereje lisetih new. ante awalid yemitilat neger .

Esti enzihin tikoch agenazbachew.

Matt. 2:16 - Herod's decree of slaying innocent children was prophesied in Wis. 11:7 - slaying the holy innocents.
wis = metshafe tibeb

Matt. 6:19-20 - Jesus' statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 - lay up your treasure.

Matt.. 7:12 - Jesus' golden rule "do unto others" is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.

Matt. 7:16,20 - Jesus' statement "you will know them by their fruits" follows Sirach 27:6 - the fruit discloses the cultivation.

Matt. 9:36 - the people were "like sheep without a shepherd" is same as Judith 11:19 - sheep without a shepherd.

Matt. 11:25 - Jesus' description "Lord of heaven and earth" is the same as Tobit 7:18 - Lord of heaven and earth.

Matt. 12:42 - Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.

Matt. 16:18 - Jesus' reference to the "power of death" and "gates of Hades" references Wisdom 16:13.

Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 - Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.

Matt. 24:15 - the "desolating sacrilege" Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.

Ze Debre Libanos said...

Wedaje Dima ,
Awalid bilew menafikanu yemisalekubet metshaf kal ena Wongel lay yetetekesew kal min yahid endemismama lemasayet yetsafkewin tshuf ayehut.

me too i want to add some more. if they have eyes let them read this and understant how the deutronomical books and Gosbel are the same .
Matt. 24:16 - let those "flee to the mountains" is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.

Matt. 27:43 - if He is God's Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.

Mark 4:5,16-17 - Jesus' description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.

Mark 9:48 - description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.

Luke 1:42 - Elizabeth's declaration of Mary's blessedness above all women follows Uzziah's declaration in Judith 13:18.

Luke 1:52 - Mary's magnificat addressing the mighty falling from their thrones and replaced by lowly follows Sirach 10:14.

Luke 2:29 - Simeon's declaration that he is ready to die after seeing the Child Jesus follows Tobit 11:9.

Luke 13:29 - the Lord's description of men coming from east and west to rejoice in God follows Baruch 4:37.

Luke 21:24 - Jesus' usage of "fall by the edge of the sword" follows Sirach 28:18.

Luke 24:4 and Acts 1:10 - Luke's description of the two men in dazzling apparel reminds us of 2 Macc. 3:26.

John 1:3 - all things were made through Him, the Word, follows Wisdom 9:1.

John 3:13 - who has ascended into heaven but He who descended from heaven references Baruch 3:29.

John 4:48; Acts 5:12; 15:12; 2 Cor. 12:12 - Jesus', Luke's and Paul's usage of "signs and wonders" follows Wisdom 8:8.

John 5:18 - Jesus claiming that God is His Father follows Wisdom 2:16.

John 6:35-59 - Jesus' Eucharistic discourse is foreshadowed in Sirach 24:21.

John 10:22 - the identification of the feast of the dedication is taken from 1 Macc. 4:59.

John 15:6 - branches that don't bear fruit and are cut down follows Wis. 4:5 where branches are broken off.

Acts 1:15 - Luke's reference to the 120 may be a reference to 1 Macc. 3:55 - leaders of tens / restoration of the twelve.

Acts 10:34; Rom. 2:11; Gal. 2:6 - Peter's and Paul's statement that God shows no partiality references Sirach 35:12.

Acts 17:29 - description of false gods as like gold and silver made by men follows Wisdom 13:10.

Rom 1:18-25 - Paul's teaching on the knowledge of the Creator and the ignorance and sin of idolatry follows Wis. 13:1-10

wedaje ANONYMOS, TECHEMARI KASFELEGEHIM , ENCHEMIRALEN, GIN BICHA ANTE ANBIBEW. YABATOCAHCHIN EWINET YIGELETILIHAL
DEHNA EDER

Anonymous said...

Ze dima;
You think you ansewred,but you are just in denial sir. I know God can make a miracle,but I know also God can't contradict himself.He can't make false true or true false. You can't tell me that St michael took holy communion,whatever St michael is. There are things for humans and things for angels.There is no purpose at all to make the devil monk. "Tabot walk don't walk",I don't want to expose everything on this blog,but I know what is going on sir. Don't tell me what is Tabot and what is not. I know also why this people are playing this game . It is time we stop this game and play by the rules of our EOC cannons and dogmas. We needed tabot not to walk or not to walk.It is a plate to celebrate the holy communion.The new testament tabot is not the same with the old testament sir.Emotions are not faith.As much as we want to defend our mother church we should also be able to correct ourselves and repent. After the Israelite crossed the red sea the idiolized the Moses' rode, but God was not happy with it. We should respect the saints, but not to the extent of saying that everybody who is buried in Debrelibanos goes to heaven. If this is the case why repentance/why communion?why baptism/why christianity?Our sainthood theology must be consistant with the salvation of Christ. We should't just pick a word and hairsplit like amature protestant preachers.

Anonymous said...

Zedebre Libanos;
May be you mentioned some of the readings and thank you sir. You think I don't read a book because it is not in the bible?not true. I read as long as it is consistant with the teaching of our savior. Awali in a sense those which are inconsistant with the teachings of the gosple. I am not obliged to believe that the devil became monk,but I know I am obliged to believe Jesus Christ became human to sane the world if I want to be christian. I am not obliged to believe that Kiristos Semra saves 3000souls everyday to be called orthodox......That is what I mean awalid

John ze Baptist said...

Brothers in Christ!!
I agree with zeDima and zeDebre Libanos: The church understands bible deeply line by line and word by word. There is no question here. The teaching that we are getting at Awude Mehiret has no any problem at all. As to me our scholars are very talented and know bible in deepest way.
Our problem with Awalde Mesahifit is as follows (as I saw):
1. Our understanding towards them: These books are additional books that testified how Christians lived and served God. These are practical books like acts which talks about disciplines
The books are not giving us new orders to serve God. They all refer us to go to Gospel and know God. There is no book which I know that says don’t read and follow bible. All books are telling us what benefits we will get if we serve God.
So our perceptive to them should be:
a. they are additional books
b. they are not basis for our belief – our doctrine comes from bible
c. whoever wants can read them and follow them but the church believes that they are testifying God’s work to the world

2. How should we interpret the Awalede books? – As people who directly translate Jesus’ words depart from the truth, the people who directly translate some of the books may mis understand them. we should take care of reading them. How can a man marry to Camel? The church never belief this. The church is declaring every day the need for taking Holy Communion to be saved. How the church can say listening Tamire Mariam will replace Holy Communion. This is not believed in the church. So we need to understand in matured way.
3. Does the truth of our church based on the books:- I believe absolutely no. Because the church is established even before the bibles became one book. So we never consider these books to test the correctness of our church
4. Are all awalide metsahifits absolutely true? I believe no because there are few books that have timing differences, have some conceptual deviate from our church’s teaching.For example, Does going to Gedamat remove sins? I heard these teaching from some people and heard also it is written on church’s book (but I don’t find it). But a man from MK (Dn. Yaregal) challenged such issues in his book “Kalkidan benegere dihnet”. So I believe that there are some things that should be corrected. But they are very minor for Christian life.

Anonymous said...

ታድያ እንደ ዓይኑ በሌን የሚንከባከባቸውና የሚጠነቀቅላቸው በምድረበዳ የመራቸው የቀባቸውና የጠራቸው በጠራራ ፀሐይ በአውላላ ሜዳ ላይ ወድቀው እንዴት አይመጣም? ምን ይደንቃል? አደራ የተጣለባቸው አይተው እንዳላዩ ሰምተው እንዳልሰሙ በመሆን ዝም ሲሉ ፍትህ ሲጓደል ንጹህ ሲበደል እነሱ ባያውቁትም እንኳ እሱ ግን ለይቶ በተናጠል የሚያውቃቸው ማወቅ ብቻም አይደለም የራሳቸው ጸጉር በቁጥር አንድ በአንድ በልዩ ምልክታቸው የሚያውቃቸው መጠቀሙ ምኑ ላይ ነው አዲስ ነገር የተፈጠረው? ወይስ የሚያስጮኸን የሚያጉረመርመን የእግዚአብሔር ሥራ ለምን እኔ ሳላውቀው ነው የሥጋ ለባሹ ጥያቄ? ወይስ ይህን ቃል ከልጅነት እድሜያችን ጀምሮ ቀናት እየቀጠርን ያለ ቀሪ ስንመላለስ ይህን የተገለጠውን ቃል ሳናውቅ ቀርተን ይሆን? ይችላል እግዚአብሔር ከፍ ባለው በሰማይም በምድርም ሥልጣን የእግዚአብሔር ነው። ይቅር ሰውን የሚያክል በመልኩ በምሳሌው የፈጠረው ክቡር ፍጥረት እግዚአብሔር ደሮ፣ ቅማልና አህያም ተጠቅመዋል። ጥያቄ ካለን ዛሬ አይደለም የሚቀርበው በክርስትና አለማመን ነው ጥያቄአችን የሚፈታው።

kidist said...

ዛሬ እግዚአብሔር ዘመናትን ቆጥሮ የፈሰሰውን እንባ ለማበስ ሲመጣ በተለያዩ ምክንያቶች በአይነቁራኛነት የምንመለከተው እግዚአብሔር በላይ ላያችን ያነገሰውን መንግሥት ይህን የሰይጣን ማኅበር “ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን” ለመበቀል ለዚህ ልዩ መንፈሳዊ ተልዕኮ አስታጥቆ ማስነሳቱ ሊደንቀንና ለያስጮኸን የተገባ አይደለም።

Zebena said...

ይህን ሁሉ መዘዝ ያመጣብን ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን እግዚአብሔር የእጁን ይስጠው ዓይኖቹ ይታወሩ።

TAZABIW said...

ቂሮስ ማን ነው?

Ø ቂሮስ ማለት ከ559-530 በፋሪስ ላይ የነገሰ፣

Ø እግዚአብሔርን የማያውቅ፣

Ø የባዕድ አምልኮ ተከታይ፣

Ø ለተፈጥሮ የተንበረከከ፣

Ø የፋሪስን መንግሥት ያቋቋመ፣

Ø ብዙ አገሮችን የወረረ፣ ቃል-ኪዳን የሌለው ከአህዛብ ወገን የሆነ ሰው ነበር፣ ይህም ሆኖ በነቢዩ ኤርምያስ የተነገረውን የትንቢት ቃል ይፈጸም ዘንድ እግዚአብሔር የቀባው እጁንም የያዘው ንጉሥ ነበረ።

www.thetruthfighter.net

selam said...

egzeabeher andebetachenen yebarke
selemenenagerew neger ebakachehu
leb enebel.

ማካሮቭ said...

ሰልፉ የእግዚአብሔር ነው!

ከ www.thetruthfighter.net አንብበውታል?

ዲያቆን ሙሉጌታ
እግዚአብሔር ይባርክህ ፊቱ ያብራልህ ዳርቻህን ያስፋው ከሌሊት ግርማ ከቀን ፍላጻ ይጣብቅህ የጸናች የአምላካችን እጅ ከአንተ ጋር ትሁን።

Ze Debre Zeit Kidus Rufael said...

FOR ZEBENAY AND KIDIST
I read the message u posted which says like this
ይህን ሁሉ መዘዝ ያመጣብን ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን እግዚአብሔር የእጁን ይስጠው ዓይኖቹ ይታወሩ። zebanay
“ይህን የሰይጣን ማኅበር “ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን” ለመበቀል ለዚህ ልዩ መንፈሳዊ ተልዕኮ አስታጥቆ ማስነሳቱ ሊደንቀንና ለያስጮኸን የተገባ አይደለም።” Kidist
But I want to remind u what the Bible Says . Please read the versus hereunder
The Bible says like this.
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman (St Marry), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,…” Yohanis Raey 11:17
So no wonder if u are always against Mahibere Kidusan who is always pro saints. We know demon is always against the teaching of the holiness of saints.
Besides let me remind u something. We all are aware that ur masters , Protestant camp, have started campaign against Mahibere Kidusan. International Christian Concern, which is based in Washington, Persecutation.org (affiliated web page for ICC, compass direct (from Nairobi), and etc are raising their voice against Mahibere Kidusan. No wonder if they ordered u to follow their footstep ie cursing and denouncing mahibere Kidusan.
But why ur masters, the international “Christian concerns” are wasting all their money and time to attack Mahibere Kidusan . They have clearly depicted the reason. Here under read it. for further info read the message ur masters said
“The increasingly powerful group’s purpose is to counter all reform movements within the EOC and shield the denomination from outside threats “
http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/ethiopia/9862/
http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/ethiopia/9862/
http://www.persecution.org/suffering/index.php
So because Mahibere Kidusan is countering all the reform movements ( tehadiso ) You hate it .
Because Mahibere Kidusan is the Shield for EOTC u hate it
Because other denominations are unable to penetrate Our church , because of Mahibere Kidusan , and u hate Mahibere kidusan. This is the reality. This is what ur masters said and you their disciples echo.
Following the order from ur masters to dismantle Mahibere Kidusan for the reasons mentioned above, u were funded to write book called Mahibere Kidusan or Mahibere erkusan to question the reputation of MK. Besides u opened web page and started cyber war against MK. We also know who funded u to open the web page which is against MK.
UR MASTERS UNDERSTOOD THAT UNLESS THEY DISMANTLE MK , WHICH IS THE SHEILD OF EOTC, THEY CANNOT BREAK EOTC AND STEAL FLOCKS FROM THE CHURCH. SO THE SLOGAN OF THESE DAYS IS TO ACCUSE, BACKBITE, MK AND THEN TO DO WHATSO EVER TO DISMANTLE IT.
Kehadi banda hulu, lebir bileh betekiristianih lay yemitizemit .

MAKAROV : alkew simihin, makarov is a gun made in USSR for an assault. U are also foreign triggered BANDA to dismantle our church. Gin yetim atidersim. i am finalysing my report , tinish gize tebikegn . banda , ye menafkir asker

Ze Debre Zeit Kidus Rufael said...

I read the comments written by the so called the truth finder: Mulugeta.

For Mulugeta (the so called the truthfinder). I have told u last time. Ur aim is not religion, but to advertise ur book and to collect money.

I have heared that the soft copy of “Mahibere Kidusan or Mahibere Erkusan” is circulating with pdf and MS word files. I don’t think so no one will buy the hard copy so long as the soft copy is disseminated as wide as possible in everywhere.

So don’t advertise ur demonic book. Ur wish of collecting money by selling ur rubbish and nonsense books is over. It is dead end.

Besides we all know that this is the mission u received from ur masters abroad who are time and again angry of Mahibere kidusan for being Shield to EOTC.

It is funny to see that even CIA is writting article and comment about MK.REad the state department report of USA on Ethiopia , it express Mahibere Kidusan like this
" The Utra conservative Orthodox association of EOTC youth" .why are worried of MK this much ?????

No wonder if ur masters , pentecostals, discuss about MK in political capital of USA. similarly, no wonder if u their disciple opened cyber war against MK.

It seems that ur masters are coordinating the international anti MK campaign and u are focal person for the domestic anti MK campaign . kikiiiii

Yet endemiteds eski enayihalen ( enayachuhalen).eskahun sint tekefeleh. ende yihuda selasa dollar????gid yelem esunim betinehew timotaleh like ur old father Yiuhuda

http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/ethiopia/9862/
http://www.persecution.org/suffering/index.php

Mulugeta yihen yahil tagiyalehu belina werhawi report lakilachew here under is their adress
International Christian Concern 2020 Pennsylvania Ave NW #941. Washington,

Ze Debre Zeit K. Rufalel said...

I read the comments and I want to react to some of them again, the comments are under brackets and my reaction without.

(“You can't tell me that St Michael took Holy Communion, whatever St Michael is.”)Anonymous

Is there any body who says so? Our church never teaches like that. This is ur own creation, nothing else. Our Church doest have teaching which says Michael took Communion. Isaiah 6:6

(“There is no purpose at all to make the devil monk.”)

I think u need to read more about the creations of GOD. Go to genesis ( zefitret) 6:1 it says one amazing thing “ Yeegiziabihere lijoch yesewin lijoch agebu “ yilal. Do u know what it means. For the explanation go to The Book of Enock . I am sure that u wont say me The Book of Enoch is not accepted. Because u have to accept the book which is referred by the disciples of Christ .Ye Yeyuda Melekit 1:14. On that books it tells u how humans are changed to demons commonly called SIGA LEBES SEYTAN. Read the BOOK of ENOCK chapter two and three. The sons of God and The sons of Kayel intermarried and gave birth to special breeds called NIFILIMS some of them 3000 yard long. They can catch an elephant with their hands and etc. read about the demon smazyas , armonem and etc.
No wonder if this “new breeds “are baptized by Abuna Takla Haymanot of Ethiopia. I think Mulugeta is one of them since he knows more about Mahibere seytan kiiiiiii
By the way if u want to read more about the Saint Takla Haymanot , read this web page

http://st-takla.org/Story-5.html


("Tabot walk don't walk"), Anonymous

Read 1 Samuel 6:10 -15
The Arc of the Covenant (Tabot) was captured. After the mass death and sufferings Palestine’s had from this Arc, they want to return it to Israel. U know what they did: they made chariot ( seregela) ridden by cows, put the arc, Gold on the arc and let the arc go by itself with no human rider. The cows go by themselves with out no man inside on upon the Chariot. When they reach the place the Arc wanted, and it stopped by itself. The ARC STOPPED BY ITSELF. So TABOT WALKS AND STOPS BY ITSELF. Christ also said “ ene Higin lishir almetahum “


(“The new testament Tabot is not the same with the Old Testament” )anonymous

The New Testament Arc is more powerful than u can imagine. Because, it is the real blood of Christ and flesh of Christ that u can find up on it. Don’t u think so the real Blood and Flesh of Christ do have power?????

If u want to know what Christ, Apostles and disciples say about The New Testament Arc, here it is

1. Christ told us that “ eneie higin Lishir Almetahum.”
2. St Paul said like this 2 korontos :16
3. St John said it do have immense and huge power Yohanis raey 11:19
All this, power, is on New Testament

ከንቲባ said...

ዲያቆን እንደው አንድ ሰው ነህ እንደዚህ “የተማርን ነን በቂ መተዳደርያ አለን እንደው ከትርፋችን ለማኅበረ ቅዱሳን እንገብራለን” ምንትሴ ቅብርትሴ ያዙን ልቀቁን የሚሉ ወረበሎችን ወገብ የምትፈታ ደግ! ወንድማችን/እህት ማካሮቭ የመረቀህን/ችህን ምርቃት የእኔም ምርቃቴ ነው።

ዘመንህ ይባረክ!
እግዚሃር ፊቱ ያብራልህ!
ዛር ከነገሰባቸው ከመድረክ ሬሳዎች ከወንጌል አሳዶጆች ወጥመድ ይጠብቅህ!

Kidist said...

GO AND READ from dn. mulugta web site if you dont know here it is www.thetruthfighter.net
yebaTu kutu kemtawera drsetam.

Ze Dima Giogis said...

Macarovim, Tefsfam, kidistim , kentibam ye and sew ye Bier simoch nachew. ye Mulugeta.

As Ze Dere Zeit told u, your aim is to advertize ur book, collect money and go somewhere either in UA, or Europe. It is a means to reach to that end.

1. Daniel ( Of The Nazreth ) was like u. he wrote book, started insulting MK, them he went to USA. the end.

2. Tilahun of Bahir dar was the same. He started scolding and insulting Mk, wrote books to that end , he tried to sell as much as he can, then he went out. the end.

3. Your aim is also this. nothing more, nothing less. Insulting Mk, writing anti church books and then fleeding to USA or Europe.

Dima tsere menafik negn kezihu

Member of MK said...

Yes, ሰልፉ የእግዚአብሔር ነው! Let our work determines the result. We never end up here. We have long dream, that will be fulfilled with the help of God. And it will be what ever others are doing against us. ሰልፉ የእግዚአብሔር ነው! We are ready to give our life to Jesus Christ and the truth. "The truth will let u free" - Ewunet Netsa Tawetachihualech!!!

Let God determine who is with the truth. አንድ እስጢፋኖስ ቢሞት 8000 ማህበራት ተገኙ፤ቅዱስ ጳውሎስም ተጠራ።አምላካችን እነርሱ ከሚያዩት ይልቅ ብዙ ህዝብ አለው።1% የተዋጣ ገንዘብ ቢወስዱ ሙሉ ደሞዙን ለቤተክርስቲያን አገልግሎት ሊሰጥ የተዘጋጀ ማህበርመሆኑን አላወቁም።

Anonymous said...

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Thank you DS to posting Ytehadeson sera. Those groups of ewunetu mission is exposed to those true EOTC chrstians. Now do not allow those people posted thier false mission in this blogger. Where ever we tested them to come to thier mind, but they do not. B/se they have not true thinking of mind. LOOKING of MK is never and ever be blind. "So Eriawechin tewachew Le davilose" no need to kill time and give trueth for tehadeso (False preaching).
"Yetekedesewun lewushoch atisitu".
Just leave them and come to the points of next week synode meeting issue.

God bless all of us.
Kabrha weasbha

Anonymous said...

I remember one thing which I knew while I was in university. Menafikans attack orthodox in diffent ways.
1. with their womens
2. with friendship
3. with money
and if these ways are not effective, what they were doing is to kill the time of others. Their aim is to cause Orthosex students fail acadamicaly, so that students would despair. And that is what they want. Failurities of others. How wicked this is!!!

What Haimanot kidist(Mulugeta) are doing is just one and the same.
Egnan azenagitewu sira endansera lemadireg newu. Yilikuns, what is expected from us is the
be srtong enough to protect our church from these wolves.
In addition all every Ethiopians should stand for fight against anti-EOTC forces.

Egnam zim bilo yemahiber abal mebal bicha sayihon tenkiro mestat yitebekibinal, Let's rescue our church and our land. Ethiopia is Ethiopia.

Lemenafikan yemitisetuachewu melsoch ejig arki nachewu.

bertu, lemiketilewu sinodos gubae min ensira bilachihu awoyayou.

Ewunetu Tawoke said...

Dear All

ሌላው እግራቸውን በቤተክርስቲያን ታዛ ልባቸውን በመናፍቃኑ አዳራሽ አድርገው በቤተክርስቲያን ውስጥ በመሽሎክሎክ የሚሠሩ ተሐድሶ መናፍቃንን ማንነት መረጃ በማቅረብና በማጋለጥ ከድብቅ ዓላማቸው እንዲገቱና እንዲወገዙ አድርጓል፡፡ በዚህ መረጃም ምእመናን ማንነታቸውን እንዲለዩና እንዲጠነቀቁም ተደርጓል፡፡ /በአሁኑ ጊዜ ደግሞ የነዚህ የተሐድሶ መናፍቃን እንቅስቃሴ በገሃድ በቤተክርስቲያኒቱ ሰርገው በመግባትና ለተልዕኮ ባስቀመጧቸው የውስጥ ሰዎች አማካኝነት ተጠናክረው እየሠሩ ነው፡፡ የነዚህንም ማንነት መረጃዎቻችንን አጠናክረን ስንጨርስ ለቅዱስ ሲኖዶስና ለምእመናን የምናሳውቅ መሆኑን በዚህ አጋጣሚ እንገልጻለን፡፡/


This is taken form from Mk website. http://eotc-mkidusan.org/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=50&Itemid=2
It seems we are going to have a detailed information about the current movement of "TAHADISO" insider . It is a matter of time. I piece of advice for those who work for money and HOD, you better finalized your final check. Egziabher Lib Yistachiku

Dear Eunetu (Tesefa, Haymanot, Zebena, Kidist, Makarove, Anyo.)
If you think this is the right time to attack EOTC, because the administration is weak, you are wrong. First of all, as stated in the bible “YESEMAY DEJOCH AYCHLUATIM” , the church never been vanish. I will recommend you to read our church history, GIRAG, YOdit, Chatolic….they tired their best..now it is your turn. Second EOTC followers are more awear of your hidden ajenda better than any time. We have not only one MK, but many MAHIBERAT helping the church. Don’t be surprise why people gives 1% of their salary EOTC is more than that, we have fathers, mothers and young women and man that are ready to give their life.

EGziabher Lib Yisteh

Anonymous said...

deje selamoch eko yemahbere kidusan tebyew lela getsoch silehonachihu new mahibere kidusanene yemitdegifut.

Anonymous said...

"እውነቱ ታወቀ" አልክ፤ ወገኛ ነህ! ሲባል ሰምተህ አንተ ደግሞ "እውነቱ ታወቀ" አልክ። "እውነቱ ታወቀብን" ብትል ይሻልህ ነበር፤ እኔ ግን ሳስበው አቶ ዳንኤል ክብረት ትመስለኛለህ። ጉዳችሁን ሲያወጡባችሁ ስም ልጠፋ ገባችሁ። የማፍያ ቡድኖች እንደሆናችሁ አገር ያወቀው ጸሐይ የሞቀው ጉዳይ ነው።

እዚህ ላይ ይጫኑ ማህበረ ቅዱሳን ወይስ ማህበረ ሰይጣን

እዚህ ላይ ይጫኑ ማህበረ ቅዱሳን ወይስ ማህበረ ሰይጣን

Anonymous said...

The last anonymous,
If you are the member of Ewunetu and Tesfa, don't expect that it is Daniel Kibrete the only person who can defend people against church. Almost all members of MK are able to defend the church by themselves. So don't focus on Daniel. He is a member like all other 100,000 members. He is known because of his preaching. Every body is equal in the association with target of spreading Gospel and protecting the church from wolves.

I hope you will join us in short period of time once you identified the truth.

The Truth Shall Free You!!

Anonymous said...

ሙሉጌታ ለምንድነው ዲያቆን ዳንኤል ክብረትን እንደጦር የምትፈራው ?ቅስና አንኳን የለው መስቀል አልያዘ ። አይ የሰይጣን ፈረስ ሁል ጊዜ እንደባነንክ ልትኖር ነው ማለት ነው። አምላክ ጨለማውን ያርቅልህ። አሜን።

Anonymous said...

Do you think the true EOTC Christian is only Dn. Mulugeta? No. Their are a lot true EOTC Christians more than you think like 25,million.

I think now all EOTC Christians know what is the problem of our Church. Instead of lying, defending, or insulting the true christians, please stop and think to be good for our church. Admit your foresail talk and action, to join the true EOTC Christians.

Fighting it doesn't help the church, but being peace and understand each other for the common aim, then work together for our church elevation.

"Love is God" If we dont have love, every thing we fight is worthless. Lets talk both sides fault and make peace for our church. If we get the good person not have sided, we can bring the issue what we are fighting about. We are not enemies you know it. Every body thinks for our beloved Church. If some one not to worry about the church, that God is seeing all of us hart; you know we can't hide and cheat from him.

Otherwise we are westing our time and we will punish by God for we are not love one another.

Our church now needs understand what is the problem? Actually in my opinion; If we forgiving each other like Mahber to Mahber, Papas to Papas, Sunday School to Sunday School, Kahen to Kahen, Diyakon to Diyakon, Memenan to Memenan will be the christiyanawi solution for this Mass.

After all there is no a solution ex-pt forgiveness. Our lord Jesus Christ is doing that every day. So let him be our example.

Yihenen lemadreg including my self Egziabher yiredan.

For the sake of our church peace;
I am giving this assayment to the true "Haymanote Abew Mahber and the True MK members :- You can play a big roll for this peace mission. (Forgiveness) For Ahati Betekrestian.


"Egziabher Yirdan"

Anonymous said...

"እውነቱ ታወቀ" አልክ፤ ወገኛ ነህ! ሲባል ሰምተህ አንተ ደግሞ "እውነቱ ታወቀ" አልክ። "እውነቱ ታወቀብን" ብትል ይሻልህ ነበር፤ እኔ ግን ሳስበው አቶ ዳንኤል ክብረት ትመስለኛለህ። ጉዳችሁን ሲያወጡባችሁ ስም ልጠፋ ገባችሁ። የማፍያ ቡድኖች እንደሆናችሁ አገር ያወቀው ጸሐይ የሞቀው ጉዳይ ነው።

እዚህ ላይ ይጫኑ ማህበረ ቅዱሳን ወይስ ማህበረ ሰይጣን

እዚህ ላይ ይጫኑ ማህበረ ቅዱሳን ወይስ ማህበረ ሰይጣን

Orthodox unit said...

Anonymous,the second from the last who wrote for unity of the church, I share your idea. I have such idea and wish to see the well being of christian union peacefully. So let us work for that. And this will happen if we all individually work for that. If we are not ready for that how can God lay this on us.

Let us work for unity among Christians. God help unity of our church!!!

Anonymous said...

የሚገርመው ዳንኤል ክብረት ዲያቆን ሲባሉ ዲያቆን ሙሉጌታ ደግሞ ሙሉጌታ ተባለ። እሺ ዲያቆን ሙሉጌታ በንፍቅና ተባረረ አላችሁ እርግጠኛ ስላልሆንኩ አላችሁ ብዬ ልለፈው። ዳንኤል ክብረትን ማን ነው ዲያቆን ያደረገው። ባህርዳን አግብቶ እንደፈታ(ጥሏት እንደሄደ) እዛ እያለሁ አውቃለሁ። ያኔ ደግሞ ዲያቆን አልነበረም። አግብቶ ለፈታ(ጥሎ ለኮበለለ) ዲቁና የሰጠው ማን ይሆን? አቡን ናቸው? ወይስ ማህበረ ቅዱሳን? ብትመልሱልኝ ደስ ይለኛል። ለነገሩ ሌሎችም ከአቶ ወደ ቄስ እከሌ የደረሱ ብዙ እንዳሉ ሰምቻለሁ። ለምሳሌ እነ ዘበነ, ዘላለም, ደረጄ, ቀሲስ ያሬድ, ቀሲስ ደጄኔ ... ታዲያ ያልዘሩትን ካጨዱ በኋላ ኑሮአቸውን ለማስተካከል ወደ ፈረደበት ወደ ሰሜን አሜሪካ ሄደው እንደ ፕሮቴስታንቱ የቀበሌ አዳራሽ እየተከራዩ ቢዝነስ የሚሰሩ ናቸው።

bili said...

አዬ አንተ ልቤ አዘነብህ
ምነው ነጩን ጥቁር አልክ ? ከአቶ ተነስተው ቀሲስ የደረሱ ? እግዚኦኦኦ መሬት የሚሰነጥቅ ውሸት አንተ ደግሞ ቤተክርስቲያን አካባቢም አልዋልክ

Anonymous said...

ጥንተ ጠላታችን ዲያብሎስ ዛሬ በሃይማኖታችን ላይ ጥላቻን መለያየትን ለመፍጠር ይታገላና እየተሯሯጠ ነው። በመጀመሪያው በመላእክት ጉባኤ ውስጥ መለያትን ፈጠረው ሰይጣን አሁን በመንፈሳዊያን አባቶችና በህዝበ ክርስቲያኑ መካከል ጥልን ክርክር እንድያደረግ ወሬዎችን እውንት ያልሆውን እውነት እያስመሰል በማቅርብ እምነታችንን በማቃለል ላይ ይገኛል። ዮሐ 8፡44 እናንተ ከአባታችሁ ከዲያብሎስ ናችሁ፤ ሐሰትን ሲናገር ከራሱ ይናገራል። የእግዚአብሔር ቅዱስ ቃል የሚያስተምረን ፍቅርን ከመላያየት ወደ አንድነትና ወደ ቅዱስ መስቀሉ እንድንቀርብ ያስተምረናል። አምላካችንና ጌታችን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ በምድር ላይ በነበረበት ወቅትም ያ ጥንተ ጠላታችን ሰይጣን በደቀ መዛሙርቱ መካከል በመግባት በይሁዳ አድሮ ጌታችን እንድያዝና እንድገደል ያደረገው ክፉ መንፈስ አሁንም በኦርቶዶክስ ሃይማኖት ላይ አንደበቱን በታላቅ ጩከትና ቁጣ አፉን ከፍቷል። ራይ 13፤6 ስለዚህ የክርስቶ ወገኖች ፖለትካን ከሐይማኖት ጋር ለማቆራኘት የሚደረገው ጥረት የእግዚአብሔርን መንግሥት የማያዋርስ ስለሆነ ወደ ፈጣሪያችን ማልቀስ መለመን ይገባናል እንጅ ለሰይጣን መንፈስ በር መክፈት አያስፈልግም። እግዚአብሔር እጅግ ከሚጠላቸው ነገሮች ውስጥ በወንድምሟሟቾች መካከል መልያየትን የሚፈጥር ነው ምሳሌ 6፡19። እባካችሁ የዘመኑ ፖለትከኞች እጃችሁን ከሐይማኖታችን ላይ አንሱ ይልቁንም ለሀገራችን የሚበጀው ወደ እግዚአብሔር በአንድነት ሆነ በጋር ጥላቻ በሌለበት መንፈስ መጸለይ ያስፈልገናል።
በሚቀይጥለው እስክንገናኝ ቅዱሱ እግዚአብሔር ሐይማኖችንን ሀገራችን መላው ህዝባቸን መለያየት መለለበት ቅዱስ መንፈሱ ይጠብቅልን። አሜን

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ነጻ ፓትርያርክ ምርጫ ቢሆን ኖሮ ማንን ይመርጡ ነበር? እንበልና ሁሉም ነገር ሥርዓቱን ጠብቆ የተከናወነ የእጩዎች ምርጫ ቢሆን ኖሮ፣ አሁን የምናነሣቸው ጉድለቶች ባይኖሩ ኖሮ፣ 6ኛው ፓትርያርክ እንዲሆን የምትመርጡት ማንን ነበር? (ማሳሰቢያ፦ አሁን ያለው ክፍፍል እና የመንግሥት ተጽዕኖ ባይኖር ኖሮ ተብሎ የሚመለስ ጥያቄ ነው። የምን “ባይኖር ኖሮ ነው” የሚል አስተያየት ካለዎትም እናከብራለን።)