August 2, 2009

ሰበር ዜና (Breaking News) የፓትርያርኩ ረዳት በቁጥጥር ሥር ዋሉ

• “ታዝዤ ነው” የጥበቃ ክፍል ኃላፊ አቶ ብርሃኔ

(ደጀ ሰላም፤ ኦገስት 1/2009): የብፁዕ ወቅዱስ አቡነ ጳውሎስ ረዳት (አቡነ ቀሲስ) አባ ዕንቁ ባሕርይ ከቤተ ክህነቱ የብፁዓን አባቶች ቤት የሌሊት ድብደባ ጋር በተገናኘ በቁጥጥር ሥር መዋላቸውን ውስጥ አዋቂዎች ገለፁ።

Dear Dejeselamaweyan,
This news is refuted by Ben of Ethiopiafirst.com. Ben also insulted Deje Selam, for the reasons we did not know yet. We have one thing to say to brother Beniam though: this whole issue is not about you and us; it is about our Mother Church. Please stop the unwanted cyber war both of us do not want to wage. OK, brother? We don't think you understand the Church issue as an outsider. Leave the Church alone. As per the incarceration of Abba Enqu Baherey, we have reconfirmed his imprisonment. If there is any development as of then, we will report accordingly.
Cher Were Yaseman,
DS

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ጁላይ 15/2009 ሌሊት ጨለማን ተገን አድርገው ወደ ብፁዓን አባቶች መኖሪያ ሕንጻ በመግባት ጥቃት ያደረሱትን ወንጀለኞች ጉዳይ በመመርመር ላይ የሚገኘው ፖሊስ የቤተ ክህነቱን ጥበቃ ክፍል ኃላፊ አቶ ብርሃኔን ... ባለፈው ረቡዕ በቁጥጥር ስር በማዋል ምርመራ ማድረጉም ታውቋል። ግለሰቡ የግቢውን ጥበቃ የሚቆጣጠሩ እንኳን ሰው ወፍ ዝር ብትል የሚያውቁ ሆነው ሳለ ይህንን የሚያህል ትልቅ ወንጀል ሲፈጸም “ምንም አላውቅም” ማለታቸው ይታወሳል። ስለ ጉዳዩ ቃለ ምልልስ ልታደርግ የደወለችውን የዶቼቬሌ ጋዜጠኛ “ልጃቸው ነኝ” በማለት ለማታለል የሞከሩት አቶ ብርሃኔ ለፖሊስ ጉዳዩን እንዲፈጸም ያደረኩት “ታዝዤ ነው” ካሉ በሁዋላ በዋስ እንደተለቀቁ ታውቋል። አቶ ብርሃኔ ነገሩን ለማመን የተገደዱት ሌሎች ሁለት የጥበቃ ሰራተኞች ስለ መሩባቸው ነው ተብሏል።

ፖሊስ ምርመራውን በመቀጠል ጉዳዩ ወደ ቅዱስ ፓትርያርኩ ጽ/ቤት የመራው ሲሆን በዚሁ ምክንያት ለአቶ ብርሃኔ ትዕዛዝ በመስጠት ወንጀሉ እንዲፈጸም አስደርገዋል የተባሉት የፓትርያርኩ ረዳት አባ ዕንቁ ባሕርይ በቁጥጥር ስር መዋላቸው ታውቋል። ለአቶ ብርሃኔ ትዕዛዝ ሰጥተዋል የተባሉት አባ ዕንቁ ባሕርይ “ያዘዝኩበት ወረቀት የታለ” በማለት ለማምለጥ መሞከራቸው ተሰምቷል። ጉዳዩ በዚሁ ከገፋ አባ ዕንቁ ባሕርይ ራሳቸው ከማን ትዕዛዝ እንደተቀበሉ በጉጉት የሚጠበቅ ምስጢር ይሆናል ማለት ነው።

ይህ በእንዲህ እንዳለ ወንጀሉን የፈጸሙት ሰዎች በሁለት መኪና ተጭነው ወደ ጠቅላይ ቤተ ክህነት ግቢ የገቡት ሁሉም ሰው በሚገባበት በር ሳይሆን ፓትርያርኩና የተወሰኑ እንግዶች (ቪ.አይ.ፒዎች) የሚገቡበት የፓላሱ ዋና መግቢያ በር እንደሆነ ታውቋል። ከአባቶች ስልክ የተደወለለት ፖሊስ በሌላኛው በር ለመግባት ሲሞክር የጥበቃ ሰራተኞች “አገር ሰላም ነው” እያሉ የመለሱት በዚህ ምክንያት ነው ተብሏል።

አባ ዕንቁ ባሕርይ ሐሙስ ከተያዙ በሁዋላ ፍርድ ቤት ቀርበው የ14 ቀን ቀነ ቀጠሮ ተጠይቆባቸው ወደ ማዕከላዊ እስር ቤት ገብተዋል። ስለ ጉዳዩ አስተያየታቸውን የጠየቅናቸው ውስጥ አዋቂዎች አንድ አቡነ ቀሲስ (ረዳት) በራሳቸው ፍላጎት እንዲህ ዓይነት ትዕዛዝ ለመስጠት እንደማይሞክሩ ተናግረው ትዕዛዙ ከርሳቸው በላይ ከሆነ ሰው ሳይመጣ እንዳልቀረ ገምተዋል።

49 comments:

tad said...

Now I am like Thomas(kalayehu alamnm). I will never trust weyane any more, unless Abune Paulos is handcuffed and sent in to jail.
The above comment is only an expression, showing that how much I am angry.
But, do you trust weyane/ guys

ሰናይ said...

አምላክ እውነቱን እንዲያወጣልን እንፀልይ. በእናት ቤ/ክ ጉያ ውስጥ ተቀምጠው ወንጀል የሚፈፅሙ ለፍርድ መቅረብ አለባቸው። መንግስትም በዚህ ሴራ በውነት እጁ ካለበት በእሳት እየተጫወተ መሆኑን ይውቅ። የማፍያው ቡድን በፍርድ አደባባይ ትቆማላችሁ። ቤ/ክ እና ልጆቹዋን አድምታችሁ አታመልጡም።

መንግስት ይሄንን ጉዳይ በልዩ አትኩሮት ሊያየውና እውነቱን ሊያሳውቀን ይገባል። ሰውዬው መያዛቸው ብቻ አያረክንም። ያዘዙና ያቀናበሩት ፖላስ ተከታትሎ ለፍርድ ያቅርብ።

እኛም ጉዳዩ በትኩረት እንከታተለው.
የናቡቴ ደም ፈሶ አይቀርም!!

Anonymous said...

yene abune qerlos enba bekenitu feso ayqerim

It is time to clear up all in side of Aba polus,

Dan said...

በዚህ አጋጣሚ የሰሞኑን ሌሎች ንትርክ ለጊዜው ቆም አድርግን ትኩረታችን ፓትርያርኩ በቤተ ክርስቲያናችን ላይ በፈጸመው በደልና በቤተ ክርስቲያን ሕግ ላይ የደረሰው ረገጣ ላይ ይሁን::

በዚህም ላይ በጸሎት "ጌታ ሆይ በደምህ የዋጀኅትን ቤተ ክርስቲያንህን የሌቦችና የቀማኞች ቤት ያደረጓትን በሰላም ከመካከላችን ውሰዳቸው: ለኛም መንፈስ ቅዱስን የሚታዘዝ ለድሆች ወንጌልህን የሚያስተምር ለወርቅና ገንዘብ የማይገዛ መንፈሳዊ ሐዋርያ ስጠን" እያልን በየቀኑ እንለምነው:: "ለምኑ ይሰጣችኋል" ያለውን የተስፋ ቃል አንርሳ::

tewahedo said...

It is good step but I don't think this will be seen seriously. If possible we have to push the government to do more to find suspects. Even there was idea last time to hire lawyer who can follow this case.
If possible, it is good if we can do that.

Anonymous said...

Dear Deje Selam,
It is a good news, at least. But are you sure that "Aba Enqu" is in jail now. In other web sites it is reported that he was released on bail after being questioned by police.

Anonymous said...

amlak ewntn sle emaydbk tera betra yawetawal slot melkam new lehulum masasebya lemnu ysetachhual felgu tagegnalachhu alquaqu ykefetlachhual blo amlak astemmronal ahunm fetaryachn kdus egziabher yrdan amyn

woldegiorgios said...

Now the judge of God is coming. The mafia group will never be free from accountability of being involved in the atrocities of holy fathers. I believe that the government undoubtedly will follow up those mafias and punish them.

besot said...

If FDRE never takes an action on those mafias,he will never be trusted by his supporters even. This is a very serious issue for all christians and never be ended unless it is resolved at this stage.Therefore, those criminals/mafias should be brought in to justice. The sovereignty of our church should be respected forever.

Anonymous said...

I just read a blog on http://www.ethiopiafirst.com/news1.html destroying your breaking news. This type of untrue news tarnish the good names of Deje Selam.

Anonymous said...

Sir, what do you have to say about the article on Ben's Ethiopiafirst page? I think you are lying again to your readers...simply, WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU!!!

Tenager said...

I find ethiopiafirst interview as a cover up story. Police may release the stated person after this news posted. If he want us to hear other side story, he could ask about allegations surround the person.

I think Deje Selam should back to his source and update us what happen after they posted this breaking news.

Anonymous said...

“ማርገዟን ልታስታውቅ ከደረቷ ትታጠቅ”
ስሟ ‘Ethiopiafirst’ ምናልባት ትርጉሟ ኢትዮጵያ ትቅደም ትሆን እንደሁ እንጃ የተባለች ጦማሪ (ምናልባትም ሐሳዊ ጦማሪ) ‘የፓትርያርኩ ረዳት ( አባ ዕንቈ ባህርይ) በቁጥጥር ስር ዋሉ የሚለውን ዜና ተቃውማ ለማረጋገጫ የአንድ ሰው ድምጽ እንደ እሷ አባባል የአባ ዕንቈ ባህርይን ድምጽ ቀርጻ ለዜናው ማስተባበያ አድርጋ አቅርባለች። ደጀ ሰላምን እስካሁን እንደ ተከታተልኋት ባቀረበቻቸው ዘገባዎቿ ሐሰት አላገኘሁባትም።ከላይ የተጠቀሰው ሰበር ዜናም እውነት እንደ ሆነ ጥርጥር የለኝም።ሆኖም የ ‘Ethiopiafirst’ ቃለ መጠይቅ አቅራቢን ጥያቄ አቀራረብ እና ርእስ አሰጣጥ ስመለከት ‘Ethiopiafirst’ን በጣም ጠረጠርኋት።ምናልባት የቁልቢው ካዝና ተቋዳሽ ትሆን? በመጀመርያ የታዘብሁት ደጀ ሰላም ያቀረበችውን ሰበር ዜና ለመቃወም ‘Fake breaking News’ ብላ ሰየመች ለምን ይህን ያህል ተቃውሞ ትክክለኛ ኢንፎርሜሽን ሰጭ ብትሆን እኮ ደጀ ሰላም ላይ የቀረበው ዜና ትክክል ሆኖ አለማግኘቷን መንገር በቂ ነው ግን የደም ፍላት ርእስ አሰጣጥ እንደሆነ ያሳውቅባታል። ሁለተኛውና ትልቁ የታዘብሁት ቃለ መጠይቅ አቅራቢው ገና ጥያቄውን ሲጀምር የቀረበው ዜና ሐሰት ስለመሆኑ እሱ ራሱ መስክሮ የተጠየቀውን ሰው ጠያቂው የተናገረውን እንዲያጸድቅለት ሲገፋ ይታያል።ደግሞስ ይህን የሚያህል ትልቅ ጉዳይ ለማጣራት ዘርዘር አድርጎ ለምን አልጠየቀ? በአንድ ደቂቃ ከ31 ሰኮንዶች ደመደመው።ይልቁንስ ርእሱን ‘Fake interview’ ቢለው ይበጃል። ለመሆኑ ድምጹ የአባ ዕንቈ ባህርይ ለመሆኑ ምን ማረጋገጫ አለ? በእርግጥ አንድ ነገር ከተጠያቂው ድምጽ ሰምቻለሁ ትግሪኛ ተናጋሪ ሰው ነው በአማርኛ አነጋገሩ ለዛ ይታወቃል። ከስንት ትግሪኛ ተናጋሪዎች መካከል ‘Ethiopiafirst’ ማንን እንደመረጠች በምን እንወቅ? ‘Ethiopiafirst’ እንዲህ አይነት ማታለል ጊዜው አሁን አይደለም።ሌላ ወደ አልተነቃበት አካባቢ ዘወር ብትይ ይሻላል።ይኸ የተበላ እቁብ ነው። ለመሆኑ የአባ ዕንቈ ባህርይ በፖሊስ መመርመር እውነትነቱ ተዋጠልሽ? የዘበኞቹ ሃላፊ አቶ ብርሃኔ ታዝዤ ነው ስለ ማለቱ ትክጃለሽ? አይ ህሊናን መሸጥ? ዛሬ ሰውን ብታታልልይ ነገ እውነቱ እንደሚወጣ ለምን ‘Ethiopiafirst’ እንደምትዘነጊ አይገባኝም። አይ ገንዘብ! ልብሽን ሰረቀው
የሰው ልብ ይስጥሽ (የእንስሳነት ባህርይ ገንኖብሽ አያለሁ)

Vision2020 said...

"Anyon" the audio on ethiofirst does not proof that the whole article is fabricated as Ben tries to present it. Who is to say that Ben actually spoke to the father at his home?? could it be that he spoke to him on his cell phone? (specially facilitated). The interesting fact from the 1 minute 20 seconds audio posted on ethiofirst is that he did not actually deny that he has been apprehended. He actually said "hamus sayhone segon newe??

Regardless of the clip the fact remains that the solution to the problem can not be brought about by the tactical and politically motivated interference of the Woyane administration...the creator of the problem.

Egziabeher Ethiopian ena Bete Christianachenen yetadegat yetebekat

YeAwarew said...

Selam all:
A challenge to "Anony...who wrote -"I just read a blog on http://www.ethiopiafirst.com/news1.html destroying your breaking news. This type of untrue news tarnish the good names of Deje Selam.
"Sir, what do you have to say about the article on Ben's Ethiopiafirst page? I think you are lying again to your readers...simply, WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU!!!"

As far as Deje Selam is concerned, it(the blog) is reporting the news as fast as it comes in, that is why it is called "breaking news". "Aba" InquBahriy could be sent to jail and then be released afterwards but that still DOES NOT debar the "breaking news" as untrue. If you want to prove that what is being reported is untrue, present your evidence from the concerned court or some authentic document that he was not sent to prison. The audio clip doesn't cut it. Well, can you ?

I think the writer of the comments is one and the same person. But let me ask you "Anony..." why do you have to hide behind "anony..." comments? I mean, is it really scary to leave some kind of an identifying name? I bet the writer of the comments in question is the editor of "Ethiopiafirst.com" site, "Ben". I mean "Ben", for God's sake, you are praising on you site the most controversial people like "Tamrat Layne", everybody knows who he is, a criminal. And I know we have to give respect to the see (Menbere patriarch) of EOTC, as a true member; but do you have to praise Abune Pawlos like that. I think in your opinion, Abune Pawlos does nothing wrong. That is called being blind to the truth ( a quality of Menafiq).

Well, do you have a rebuttal ? I expect a measured civil response, not like the exploding with ... Gashaw and Ewnetu, etc.
"negerin biabezu be'ahiya...."alu
Yiqoyen,

May God protect His Church and the true Fathers,
God bless,
YeAwarew

Dan said...

First of all "destroying your breaking news" is poor use of english language. የአቡነ ጳውሎስ ረዳት (አቡነ ቀሲስ) አባ ዕንቁ ባሕርይ might have been questioned by the police.

The statement " አባ ዕንቁ ባሕርይ ሐሙስ ከተያዙ በሁዋላ ፍርድ ቤት ቀርበው የ14 ቀን ቀነ ቀጠሮ ተጠይቆባቸው ወደ ማዕከላዊ እስር ቤት ገብተዋል።" may not be fully accurate. He may have been released through the intervention of አቡነ ጳውሎስ. አቶ ብርሃኔ የቤተ ክህነቱን ጥበቃ ክፍል ኃላፊ እና የፓትርያርኩ ረዳት አባ ዕንቁ ባሕርይ are being investigated.

Just because የፓትርያርኩ ረዳት አባ ዕንቁ ባሕርይ was on the phone, we don't know from where, and may or may not be at his home, does not "destroy..." the news"
that የፓትርያርኩ ረዳት አባ ዕንቁ ባሕርይ and by implication ፓትርያርኩ are prime suspect of the Crime Committed.
ለአቶ ብርሃኔ ትዕዛዝ ሰጥተዋል የተባሉት አባ ዕንቁ ባሕርይ “ያዘዝኩበት ወረቀት የታለ” ብሏል።

The very same statement might be used by አቡነ ጳውሎስ when the fingers point at him.

I hope his days are numbered and we will have a truly spiritual leader one who walks in the Footsteps of Jesus and the apostles. ( I pray no one from among the current bishops but some one like Patriarch Abune Tekle Haymanot. I am all for a prolific teacher who knows the scriptures in he spirit of St. Paul. On the other hand we are witnessing what damage and crime a PhD አቡነ ጳውሎስ does.

Anonymous said...

እግዚአብሔር፡ሥራውን፡እየሠራ፡ነውና፡እኛም
በርትተን፡እናግዘው።ደጉንና፡ተገቢውን፡ለመ
ሥራት፡እንፍጠን።ይቺ፡ወቅት፡ልታመልጠን
አይገባትም።

በአርዕስቶቻችን፡ላይ፡እናተኩር።ለአጽራረ-ተዋ
ህዶ፡በር፡አንክፈት።ተጋድሏችን፡ከአውሬውና፡ከ
ግብረ፡አበሮቹ፡ጋር ስለሆነ፡እዚያ፡ላይ፡አጥብቀን፡
እናተኩር!

እራሱን"ኢትዮጵያ፡ፈርስት"በሚል፡የሚያወና
ብደው፡ድረ፡ገጽ፣ዋናው፡ሥራው፡እስታሁን፡ለሸህ፡
አላሙዲና፡ደጋፊዎቻቸው፡ጥብቅና፡መቆም፡ነበ
ር።ተሰሞኑ፡ደግሞ፡የአውሬው፡አፈ፡ቀላጤ፡በመ
ሆን፡የሚነዛው:፡ውዥንብር፡የቁልቢው፡ገብረኤል፡
ምን፡ያክል፡እንደተዘረፈ፡ለኛ፡አንድ፡ሌላ፡ምል
ክት፡ነው።

የ"ሸህ"ቤንን፡"ማስተባበያ"እዚህ፡ድረስ፡መጎ
ተት፡አያስፈልግም፡ነበር።እሳቸው፡ለከፈላቸው፡
ሁሉ፡አለሁ፡ባይነታቸው፡ከታወቀ፡የሰነበተ፡በ
መሆኑ፡እንደ፡ሥጋ፡ቁጠር፡ቢሉት፡ጣፊያ፡ነው።

ለነገሩ፡ግን፡ማጅራት፡መቺዎቹ፡ያቀጣጠሉት፡
እሳት፡በጣሙን፡እያቃጠላቸውና፡መውጫው፡
ምን፡ያክል፡እንደጠበበባቸው፡መረዳት፡ይቻላል!

በእግዚአብሔር፡ሕግና፡ሥርዓት፡ላይ፡አምጸው፡
ቤተ፡ክርስቲያናችንን፡የሚያምስዋት፡የጥፋት፡
ርኩሰትና፡ተባባሪዎቹ፡ይዋል፡ይደር፡እንጂ፡አይ
ወድቁ፡አወዳደቅ፡እንደሚወድቁ፡እናምናለን።

መድኃኔ፡ዓለም፡በቸርነቱ፡ተዋህዶ-ኢትዮጵያን
ይጠብቅልን።ጻማችንን፡በአሸናፊነት፡ለመወጣት
እንዲያበቃን፡በእንተ፡እግዚእትነ፡ማርያም፡እንማ
ጸነዋለን!አሜን።

ዘደብረ፡ሊባኖስ፡ነኝ።

Anonymous said...

I listned ethiopiafirst interview with that leba.I wish he ask him to say something like Dawit in geez? or one abune zebesemayat

Anonymous said...

Hello Deje selam,
I was following news on ur website and many ethiopians are following ur news. But there is a mistake that u r making. U r mixing polotics and religion. And this is not good. People should read ur news independent of ur polotical views. If this is a true religious site then donot add some extra commnets which relate our religion with polotics. I remember that once u insulted Bereket Simon, Reporter, and a lot more. So if Ben tries to insult u then he is right because he is biased to one view though he may insult based on false rumours.
About the interview, I have listned it though I am unsure whether the person that Ben spoke is Aba ukubai or not then it is possible that either of u made a mistake. But this should not make u worry because ur aim is to rescue our church.
I will pray to help us God to free our church. But I donot hate abune Paulos because he is from Tigray. I hate him if the things said about him are right. If the mistakes that he has made are right. But if not then I would ask God to help continue his power.

Anonymous said...

Dear Bloger,
I share the view of the person who posted a message for you not to mix politics and religion. There are many web sites that we are daily browsing for politics. But we come to Deje selam only for our church. So please try to keep your "specialization". It is really damaging to our church if we mix politics and religion. As you promissed to moderate the comments posted by readers, you should monitor all of them before posting to avoid unnecessary political worlds.
Ben's audio post is really funny. Instead of asking the person he was answering for him, and it sounds fake. Even if he is not in jail, it is clear that he was questioned by police and released on bail.

tad said...

Two things for those who pretend that religion and politics were/are not mixed in Ethiopia?
1.Who you think jailed/killed Abune Theofilos?
2. Who you think forced Abune Merkorios to resign? (I am not defending that he fitted the position or he didn't make mistake)
Finally please face the facts and try to solve them. Otherwise we will be end up in viciuos cycle.
Thanks

Anonymous said...

Dear Tad,

The question is does it help, if we mix politics and religion here? I dont think!! Otherwise I am not saying that governments in the past and present are not interferring in the church. There are many examples! But regarding the web sites lets do it like this "Yekesarin lekesar ye-egziabherin le-egziabher": a web site dealing on the politics and a site dealing with the church.

tad said...

Anno:
Well, I agree on the principle, and I wish we can avoid not mixing politics with religion or vice-versal.But but....

Thanks

Anonymous said...

ይብስ አያምጣ

መቸም አይናችሁን ጨፍኑና እናሞኛችሁ የቀን ከቀን ገጠመኛችን ሆኗልና ከሰሞኑ በቤተ ክርስቲያናችን ላይ ስለ ተፈጠረው ውንብድና ደጀ ሰላም በምትዘግባቸው ዘገባዎች ገንቢም አፍራሽም አስተያየቶች በየቀረቡት ርእሶች ላይ ይጎርፋሉ። ታዲያ የደጀ ሰላም ዘገባ ራስ ምታት የሆነባቸው ወገኖች ሃይማኖተኛ ነን የሚሉም ፖለቲከኞች ነን የሚሉም አስተያየት ይሰጣሉ እንደሚመቻቸው። የደጀ ሰላምን ትእግስት አደንቃለሁ በዘመኑ አነጋገር ‘ዲሞክራቲክ’ ብላት ይመቸኛል። ሁሉንም አስተያየቶች ስታስተናግድ ተመልክቻለሁ። ጥሩ ነው ሰው የተሰማውን ቢሰነዝር ችግር የለውም።ሆኖም የአይናችሁን ጨፍኑ እና እናሞኛችሁ ፈሊጥ ጎላ እያለ መጣና ጭራሽ ፖለቲካና ሃይማኖት አትቀላቅሉ የሚሉ አስተያየቶችን አነበብሁ እንዲያውም በረከት ስምኦንን ሰድባችኋልና ‘Ethiopiafirst’ ብትሰድባችሁ ደግ አደረገች የሚሉ አስተያየቶችን በተከታታይ አነበብሁ። እንግዲህ ፖለቲከኞች የፈለጉትን ሲሰሩ ዝም በሉ ቤተ ክርስቲያን በፖለቲከኞች ስትመዘበር ዝም በሉ አሜን ብላችሁ ተቀመጡ ምክንያቱም ፖለቲካና ሃይማኖት የተለያዩ ናቸውና ነው ነገሩ። እንግዲህ ክርስቲያኖቹ ቤተ ክርስቲያን እንስራ ብለው ስለ ተነሱ ሲገደሉ፣አባቶች ህገ ቤተ ክርስቲያን ይከበር ብለው ቢነሱ በዱላ ሊያሳምኑአቸው በማፊያ ቡድን ሲደበደቡ ፖለቲከኞቹ አያገባንም ቢሉ ዝም እያልን እንቀመጥ ሊባል ይሆን? ፖለቲካና ሃይማኖት አትቀላቅሉ የሚለውን አልቃወምም ግን ፖለቲካው ሃይማኖቱን ሲጋፋ ዝም ማለት አይቻልም። አለዚያ እንደ ተረቱ ይሆናል። ሁለት ጓደኛሞች መንገድ ላይ መሽቶባቸው ጫካ ሊያድሩ መሽገው አውሬ መጥቶ እንዳይተናኮላቸው በመስጋት ድምጽ ሳያሰሙ በሹክሹክታ ለመነጋገር ወስነው ጅብ ወዳሉበት መጥቶ የአንደኛውን እግር ቁርጭም ቁርጭም ሲያደርግ ሌላኛው ያልተነካው ጓደኛ ጆሮ ሰምቶ ‘ኸረ ምንድን ነው?’ ይለዋል በሹክሹክታ እግሩ እየተበላ ላለው ጓደኛው። ተጎጅው ጓደኛ መልሶ በሹክሹክታ ‘ዝም በል የእኔን እግር እየበላ ነው’ አለው ይባላል። ፖለቲከኞቹ ቤተ ክርስቲያኗን ምን እስከሚያደርጓት እንድንጠብቅ አስተያየት ሰጭዎች እንደሚመክሩን እንጃ። በበኩሌ እንዲህ አይነት አስተያየት ሰጭዎች ወይ የ‘አይናችሁን ጨፍኑና እናሞኛችሁ’ ፖለቲካ ካድሬዎች ናቸው አለዚያ የቤተ ክህነቱ የማፍያ ቡድኖች ናቸው። እኔ እስካየሁዋት ድረስ ደጀ ሰላም ፖለቲካ ዝርጠጣ የገባች ጦማሪ አይደለችም። የአስተያየት ሰጭዎችን ሐሳብ ታስተካክል የሚለው አባባል ብዙም አያስኬድም የሰዎችን ሐሳብ ስታርም ጊዜዋን በማባከን ስራዋን እንዳትሰራ ያደርጋታል። አስተያየት ሰጭዎች ራሳችን አርመን አስተያየታችንን እንስጥ እንጅ።ሌላው ደግሞ የምናነባቸውን አስተያየቶች በደንብ ተመልክተን እርስ በርሳችን መተራረም የእኛ ስራ ይሁን ደጀ ሰላም የተነሳችበትን ስራዋን ትስራ እናግዛት በጥቅማ ጥቅም ተደልለው ስሟን የሚያጠፉ እንደ ‘Ethiopiafirst’ ያሉ ሐሰተኛ ጦማሪዎችን በሚሰነዝሩት ሐሳብ እንመልስላቸው እላለሁ።

Anonymous said...

My comment to the originator of this idea:

First, I respect your opinion. Look! Most of us agree on the notion that politics and religion should not be mixed. That is so obvious. The fact is politics is destabilizing the full right of religious institutions. How do you handle this if you don’t tell the politicians to get out of the church? It is so easy for politicians to say 'the government is not involving in the religious affairs’. In practice what we see is totally different. The public is aware of what the ‘Ethiopian Government’ is doing. Alright, why do the mafias get caught? I am assuming:

1. The government played a key actor/actress role in the mafia group or
2. The government is looking for a scapegoat or
3. The government does not care at all

If that is not the case, how long does it take to get those mafias before justice if there is justice? Is the ‘government’ weakened to catch those people? If so, how can it be qualified to administer the whole country when it failed to catch handful mafias in Arat Kilo? If it doesn’t catch criminals what does it do? This crime is committed in the center of the nation’s capital. Therefore how can we trust this administration when it jails innocent people in the name of crime while leaving criminals free? Therefore this administration is a collection of gangsters. It pulls us to be assumed politicians because of its actions. What we need to do is to place a DO NOT ENTER sign for gangsters in front of the gates of our Holy Church. How? That would be our next assignment to do.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anony who posted "Yebase Atamta"

I absolutely agree that we have to be vigilant and stand up together to protect our church from external bodies including politicians. When such actions take place like the killing of innocent blievers who went to build their church on their own plot of pland, we have to do whatever we can. That is indeed an obligation for every member of the church.
When I said lets not mix the two, I was referring that we should not mention mention a political party without cause. But with a cause, for example Ato Tefera Walwa, should have been brought to court by "teklay betekihinet" for he has accused the church on various occations calling "ye-nefitegnoch washa" and etc etc. Yet the Betekihinet charges one journalist who reported about the church.

Selam said...

Dear DejeSelam,
I wrote a comment that Dejeselam should be free of polotics because it is a religious site. Accordingly I have read ur comments from different persons. Here is the thing, I rememeber that DejeSelam once said to the Ethiopianreporter that they might have accepted money that is disturbuted from the church otherwise the Ethiopian Reporter could not bring such a false information. So if u think that this is a religious site then is it right to bring such an idea with out any evidence? Does our church teaches us like this?
What is the difference then between this site and other polotical sites like EMF,EthiopiaFirst. For example, EMF always brings an opposite news to EPRDF where us EthiopiaFirst brings good news about EPRDF. But those websites have the right to say that this is possible or not polotical wise because their aim is polotical. But we are not supposed to do that. And people should read comments irrspective of their view in polotics.
I am not saying that woyanne is doing good or not. Woyanne might be hurting our church. For example, if for sure u know that our previous pop died by woyanne and the issue is about that then at that time u should oppose woaynne otherwise if we donot have evidence then let us simply pray to save our church. However if we have a polotical view and we want to eradicate woyanne then we can go to the different polotical websites.
I remember DejeSelam posted that Bereket Simon hates our religion. But does DejeSelam has a reason to say that or it is giving his view?
If DejeSelam has the right information about Bereket then it is right to say that he hates our religion otherwise we should speak with out bases.
I want to ask every one- Do u hate that Abune Paulos because he is from tigray or u hate him because of his bad work? If u hate him because of his ethinc group then this would only destroy our church though God wont let that happen and remember that Abune Samuel who is highly opposing Abune Paulos is from Tigray. However, if u hate Abune Paulos because he is doing bad things then u r right.
I hear lots of information about our POP not now but many years ago. Some of them are surprising others are only false rumors. So it is hard for me to belive what ever bad news is written about Abune Paulos. But I strongly want Abune Paulos not to be the leader of our church. I am saying this because many people donot have a good feeling for him and I donot think that a church leader who is being hated by many people should continue as a leader.
Thank u DejeSelam

Selam said...

I forgot one more thing.
One person said that we should voice speak about the governemtn because it doesnot apprhend the gangsers who tried to insult or hit our pops. Yes u r right that we should ask the government to take them to prison. But we should not say in this site that the govenment is taking people into custdoy with out any evidence. Because we can speak this in the policatl websites.

Anonymous said...

"Ye orthodox Betekirisian yenefitegna meterakemia'. This comment is not an isolated incident by the weyane officials. But it is rather an ideology they fought on for the last 35yrs. bushes.
You know why?.Because it is the EOC who stood up for the unity and integrity of Ethiopia for the 2000yrs and weyanes believes that dimantling EOC will take them to the finishing line of their evil mission.
Please guys let's face it. Don't pretend that Ethiopia is USA where religion and state are clearly separated.Ato Tefera criticised orthodox Amharas and gurages in his comment but he forgot!? to mention that +90% of Tigray people are strong orthodox people.(ahiyawn ferto dawlawn)

tad said...

Dear Selam;
I feel that you want to live in a perfect world where politics will be free of religion. That is only a dream and a wishful thinking. That can't happen in Ethiopia at least before we get a democratically elected regime and even with out rush elected patriarch.Let me give you a scenario.If a patient suffers from headache, he/she wishes her/his illness is not caused by tumor. But, because he/she had wishes that the illness is not caused by tumor dosn't change the reality. The physician who treats the patient diagnosis evrything in his capacity and tries to heal the patient. If deje selam wants EOC to be free of her chronic problems, it has to make a general check up. Don't limit the scope of the treatment and don't play hide and found game. That is childish
Thanks

Anonymous said...

To Selam,

Recently, the Wayane troops killed, persecuted, and jailed many Dessie Christians while they are trying to build the Church legally. That does not mean any illegal person should be killed. If there is any, he or she should appear to the court and get justice. Where are those killers now? They walk freely on the roads of Dessie. As a comparison, did Birtukan kill one Doro (chicken) but where is she now? As a Christian, a lot has been expected from us to be the voice of voiceless. Please don't confuse the term politics (normally considered as false promise) to the term truth. If one is considered to be a politician if he or she openly criticizes the government for its evil actions, then I don't care if we are called politicians.

Selam said...

tad, and other two,
I am not saying that we should not voice for bad things that are happening to our religion by woyanne. I am saying that we should have a base to say any thing. For example, Some one mentioned that those who kill inoccent people while building a church should not be punished. I am saying in this case that we should inform to the government that u have killed inoccent people who belong to our church and those who did should be punished. However, if there was some one who was trying to use our religion in Desse to express his polotical views and he is dead then that should conser those who are participating in polotics. Otherwise, our religion should also be one polotical party that either use a military or an election to abolish woyanne.
U mentioned that Birtukan has done nothing and she is jailed then this is not an issue for our church. Because our church is only conserned to teach God's words not to express polotical views. I am not saying that we should not have any polotical view. For example, I may be a supporter of woyanne and others of u may be a party memebers of Ginbot 7 but all of us are belivers of Ethiopian Orthodox church. However, even if I am a supporter of woyanne and woyanne is doing bad things to my church then I should strongly opposse that party for hurting my church.
I have given an example that DejeSelam expressed Ethiopain Reporter might have accepted money from Abune Paulos. This is the thing that I hate because it is giving us a baseless rumor otherwise it should give us an evidence.

Anonymous said...

Selam,

If you just help me have your definition of politics, then we will have no argument regarding that. As to the problems about our church, I think, we will have no difference.

Thank you for your understanding.

tad said...

Dear Selam:
You sounds to me as an honest person, at least. I hope you have read the story of Israelites when they were in Egypt, Pharos, you know how Moses confronted Pharos in the book of the Exodus, if not please read it. Even in the New Testament Jesus Christ the founder of our EOC said " I prefer justice not sacrifice". I know in the last +35yrs we have't seen EOC being a leading role player fighting for the poor and the oppressed. You know what Desmon Tutu said" If you seew an elephant killing a mouse and you just bypass it claiming that you are an independent, I know that you are siding with an elephant". In you comment you said that you don't care if Birtukan is put in jail or not? Do you think God cares when somebody is put in jail for a crime he didn't commit? If you think He cares, then we should also care, because we are obliged to follow Him.Otherwise if you are thinking of EOC with out justice and freedom for all, then I don't belong to that church. In July 29, we celebrated "Abune Petros" the EOC Bishop who was killed by the fascist Italians because he refused to keel down to Italian invadors. Do you think he died invain? No! sire. He died for the cause of all Ethiopians, you and me, who boast that we have never been colonised.He wasn't forced to join The Roman Catholic church.He stood for justice and freedom of his beloved Ethiopians. That is why we celebrate him as a "semait". Few month ago a church has been dedicated for him in fich, selale which makes me a proud EOC member.
I know at this time what makes all EOC members nervous and uncomfortable talking or opposing the present regime. It is the issue of ethnicity. It is against God to hate or oppose somebody because he belong to a certain ethnic group.But I think we have passed that line as many of the oppsition with in the political arena or Holy synod are from every corner of ethnicity.
So, please think broadly and wholly.
Thanks

Anonymous said...

I pity YeAwarew who propelled by the whirlwind of MK's hot air and tries to punches the wind. The labeler who swims as a bottom feeder has no place to go except where the scoundrels are now hiding; their own graveyard.

Where were you in the last election when Ben was reporting Ethiopian martyrs as hooligans. Were you not and the despicable traitors Mahebere Kidusans were cheering with champagne when the blood of Ethiopians was flowing in the street of Addis. Now you start growing conscious to attack the all time sworn enemy of Ethiopia (and your beloved friends until now); aka Woyane, Aba Paulos and the likes of Ethiopia First.

Rejected by many I do not blame you for thrashing all over cyber. In fact I will do just the same if I had my poor soul sold to them and the payroll check I got from them finally bounced back. As for the rest of us we say one down and two to go.

We will never surrender our church to Mahebere Kidusan.

Never!, Never!, Never!!!!!!

Bereket

YeAwarew said...

Selam all:

Dear Bereket:
Are you for real ?! Where do you get the idea that I am "Aba Pawlos" supporter.
I mean, before you explode into a "gibberish" comment writing frenzy, do you even think twice what you really want to write? I don't even get what your point is. You want to bite my head off 'cause I am being critical of EthiopiaFirst.com site (Ben) and the silly comments posted by likes of him!

You wrote : "Where were you in the last election when Ben was reporting Ethiopian martyrs as hooligans."

Well, I didn't know I had to report to you to get your approval. Are you actually accusing me of not writing to you in 2005, or do I have to be registered in your political party to have the go ahead ? Isn't that silly ?
Everyone on this blog knows where I stand. But do we know anything about you, NO!?
So tell us where you stand and sit instead of accusing people you have never met or seen of something stupid as you have. And if you have to comment on my posting; well, do that and stick to the facts of my posting. Because from your comments, I can construe that you are bitter and exploding with hate and rage enough to do harm if anybody tries to defy you. You might be a "Tehadisso" ("Menafiq") or their fanatical supporter or an"air head" politician who pretends to be an EOTC member. Am close or am I wrong; well here is your chance to tell me calmly ? Can you do that ?
For your info, I have never supported "Abune Pawlos" and his kind ever, nor "Woyanne".
And if you don't know, on this blog we comment on the article at hand and on the comments posted there after. Try that, it might calm you down and teach you how to converse with others in civil and humble manner (after all we are discussing Church issues, aren't we expected to be good Christians? (Ofcourse that is if you are a Christian.)
Exploding with hatred will do you no good, my friend.
Hope you have some thought after, measured response,
Yiqoyen,

May God protect His Church and the true Fathers,
God bless,
YeAwarew

Anonymous said...

I like how YeAwarew writes his comments. Calm and collected and to the point. Bravo man.

Waiting for Ato Bereket's measured response.

"Wey sew kentu!" ale yagere sew.

Tazabiw

Anonymous said...

Bereket, I don't get your point too. Give us a chance to comprehend your message free from blind hatred,rush comments. Other than that I can't say who you are since your email tell us who you are. Please behave because the readers are the ones who gives you credit.

To YeAwarew, I appreciate your polite respond to Bereket though you don't have to.It is time consumeing to reply back for emails which is off ethical manners. One little comment for you, please do not label a person you never met before saying Penti or Tehadeso unless he/she tells you or you prove it to be. After all one's abusing words tell us who she/he is.

Anonymous said...

You are right let us reconcile, I will stop naming you; and you stop labeling people Tehadeso, Menfiq, Ortho Pente and the likes. This is not a good discourse for our church.

Let us all learn from our past mistakes instead extend the olive branch we desperately need to come together into our church.

I am sorry I hurt your feeling, my words were too harsh.
Your brother in Christ,
Bereket

Anonymous said...

Deje Wishet, stop propagating made up stories. Stop using the church for your evil political agenda. We know what you are up to.

YeAwarew said...

Selam all:
Tazabiw: thank you for your kind words. But you sound like you are enjoying the "Atekara" (squabble).It is ok, my friend; at least somebody is taking it easy.

Well, aya Bereket: The truth is you didn't hurt my feelings, so don't you worry. I know I have hurt yours ( even though I don't know how), that was why you were exploding with rage of a comment. I'm sorry for that. In most Ethiopian forums and blogs that is what we see everyday anyway, what a sad generation we are. Hope we can change before it is too late.

To anony who wrote: " One little comment for you, please do not label a person you never met before saying Penti or Tehadeso unless he/she tells you or you prove it to be. After all one's abusing words tell us who she/he is."

To borrow your own words," After all one's abusing words tell us who she/he is." I try to GUESS what kind of a person writes the comment by reading his hate, rage, emotional explosion,etc in the comment. It's only a guess. I could be wrong.
Members of Tehadisso, Menafiqan groups are always on a defensive and abusive mood that most of their comments are full of rage (even if it's subtle). Believe me that comes from experience. They can't hide it if look closely.
So, don't think that I am labling people. As the saying goes: "if he talks and walks like a menafiq, he is a menafiq." (You know them by their fruits. Mat.7:16) And after all aren't we supposed to stay vigilant for the Church ? Or that is so "out of fashion"?
Your turn.

May God protect His Church and the true Fathers,
God bless,
YeAwarew

P.S. To "Deje Wishet" writer: What is the "wishet" ? Let us see your truth,if you have it.

Anonymous said...

Bereket, you are the better person standing for saying I am sorry. I rarely see that virtue in our community especially in the cyberspace. That is one reason I rarely comment on such forum because of that.

For others, please stop labeling people and be an agent of healing instead of dividing. This is especially true from certain Maheberes who go around with righteous indignation.

In the name of Christ please stop that.

Tariku

Anonymous said...

To Bereke, I thank you for saying "sorry".
To YeAwarew, I will just take your remark regarding to remain attentive.
To Deje Wishet please take lesson from Bereket. Don't attempt to spoil our honest discussions. You should also learn asking excuses from the bottom of your heart. If you don't you are on the wrong blog site. Just leave us alone find yours.

Salem

Anonymous said...

Deje Huket is disseminating wishet in the name of EOC. Ben of Ethiofirst keeps proving many of Deje Huket's allegations false. Your satanic mission is ill conceived and destructive. You are exposed in front of GOD and his followers. Change your ways ASAP before it is too late.

Anonymous said...

Egziabher leabatoch yihinin yeseitan fetena lemareq ymiaschilachewn hail yistilin amen!!!!

tade said...

everybody of us let us pray for our church rather than blaming to each one another.

Anonymous said...

አምላክ እውነቱን እንዲያወጣልን እንፀልይ. በእናት ቤ/ክ ጉያ ውስጥ ተቀምጠው ወንጀል የሚፈፅሙ ለፍርድ መቅረብ አለባቸው። መንግስትም በዚህ ሴራ በውነት እጁ ካለበት በእሳት እየተጫወተ መሆኑን ይውቅ። የማፍያው ቡድን በፍርድ አደባባይ ትቆማላችሁ። ቤ/ክ እና ልጆቹዋን አድምታችሁ አታመልጡም።

Anonymous said...

አምላክ እውነቱን እንዲያወጣልን እንፀልይ. በእናት ቤ/ክ ጉያ ውስጥ ተቀምጠው ወንጀል የሚፈፅሙ ለፍርድ መቅረብ አለባቸው። መንግስትም በዚህ ሴራ በውነት እጁ ካለበት በእሳት እየተጫወተ መሆኑን ይውቅ። የማፍያው ቡድን በፍርድ አደባባይ ትቆማላችሁ። ቤ/ክ እና ልጆቹዋን አድምታችሁ አታመልጡም።

Anonymous said...

abeato ewenataga abate yesetane eska zarea yatabadalenawen yebekane

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