July 30, 2009

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Dear Deje Selamaweyan,
Greetings to you all.
Although our mother Church is in great problem, most of us tend to argue about some points only, one of which is Mahibere Kidusan.

For the Church's sake, please limit all your comments about Mahibere Kidusan here. Positive, negatives or questions about MK should and must be posted here. Please be civil!!!
The burning issue for Deje Selamaweyan should be what we should do untill Tikimt. We will re bring that topic to the forfront.

Chere Were Yaseman,
amen
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(አቤል ዘቀዳማዊ)
ደጀ ሰላም ከምታቀርብልን የመወያያ አርስት እየወጡ በተለያዩ አርስቶች ግርጌ እነ እውነቱ እና መሰሎቹ የማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን ሥም እያነሱት ነው። ለመሆኑ ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን የሚጠሉ ሰዎች እነ ማን ናቸው? በአጠቃላይ ማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን የሚጠሉ ሰዎች በሦሥት ከፍለን እንያቸው፦
፩. በዓላማ እንዲጠፋ የሚፈልጉ ናቸው
• አክራሪው የእስልምና ቡድን
• የቤተክርስቲያን የውስጥ መናፍቃን(ተሃድሶ)
• መናፍቃን(“ጴንጤ”)
እነዚህ ከላይ የጠቀስኳቸው ቡድኖች የማኅበሩን አገግሎት በደንብ ጠንቅቀው ያውቁታል፤ እንዲሁም ዓላማውም በሚገባ ተረድተውታል። አክራሪው እስላም በቤተክርስቲያን ላይ በተለያዩ ጊዜያት የሚያደርሱት ጥፋት እየተከታተለ መረጃ እየሰበሰበ እኩይ ተግባራቸውን እያጋለጣቸው ስለሆነ የማኅበሩን መኖር የእግር እሳታቸው ነው። ወደፊትም ላቀዱት ጥፋት ይከታተለናል ብለው ስለደመደሙ ማኅበሩ እንዲጠፋ ደፋ ቀና እያሉ ነው።ይህ ማኅበር ኢትዮጵያን የማስለም ዓላማ ተግባራዊ ለማድረግ እንቅፋት ሆኖብናል ብለው በግልፅ በተለያዩ የእስልምና ፓል ቶክ ውይይት እየሰማናቸው ነው።
ሌሎቹ ሁለቱም መናፍቃን የውስጡም የውጩም ግብራቸውና ዓላማቸው ማኅበሩ በሚገባ አውቆት አጥብቆ ስለሚቃወማቸው እነሱም ይሄንን ስለተረዱት የተለያዩ አጋጣሚዎች በመጠቀም ስሙን ሲያነሱት እናያቸዋለን፤ እዚህ ላይ እውነቱን(ውሸቱን) ልብ በሉልኝ። እነዚህ ከላይ የተጠቀሱት ሁለቱም መናፍቃን የተዋህዶ እምነትን የማጥፋት ዘመቻቸው ማህበሩ እስካለ ድረስ ማስፈጸም አንችልም ብለው ስለወሰኑ በማንኛውም መንገድ እንዲሁም ከአክራሪው እስላሙ ጋር ተባብረውም ቢሆን ሊያጠፉት ይፈልጋሉ።
፪. የቢተክህነቱ ወሮበሮች(ማፍያ/ጨለማን የወ ደዱ) አካላት
እነዚህኞቹ ደግሞ በጊዜአዊ ጥቅምና ሥልጣን የሰከሩ ናችው። አቶ ንጉሴም ከነዚህኞቹ ቡድን ጋር መድቤዋለሁ። ማኅበሩን የሚጠሉበት ዓላማቸው ማኅበሩ በያዘው የቅዱስ ሲኖዶስ ልዕልና ይከበር የሚለው ጥብቅ አቋሙ ነው። ይኸው እነዚህ ሆዳቸው አምላክ የሆነባቸው ወገኖች ማኅበሩን ቢችሉ ለማፍረስ ነበረ፤ ነገር ግን ስላልቻሉ የማኅበሩን ስም የማጥፋት ዘመቻ ተቀጣሪው ጀሌያቸው አቶ ንጉሴ ጀምሮታል።
፪. የማኅበሩን አገልግሎትና ዓላማ ያልተረዱ ወገኖች
እነዚህ ወገኖች ማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን በሥም ብቻ ያውቁታል። የማኅበሩ ሥም እንኳ የሰሙት ከተሃድሶ መናፍቅ፤ ከአቶ ንጉሴ ወይ ደግሞ ከአክራሪው እስላም ነው። እናም አንድ ጊዜ የሰሙት ወሬ ብቻ ይዘው ማኅበሩን ይጠሉታል። እንደው ማኅበረ ቅዱዳን ማን ነው፤ ዓላማው ምንድ ነው፤በቤተክርስቲያኒቱስ የትኛው መዋቅር ሥር ነው ያለው፤ ብሎ ለመጠየቅ ጆሮዋቸው የዘጉ ባይጠፉም፤ ለመጠየቅ ተዘጋጅተው አጋጣሚው ያላገኙ ወገኖች እንዳሉም እገምታለሁ።
እግዚአብሔር ተዋህዶ ሃይማኖታችን ይጠብቅልን!!! አሜን።
አቤል ዘቀዳማዊ

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የሀገር ፍቅር ራዲዮ - አለመታደል!

ዘክርስቶስ

አገር ቤት ከርሜ መጣሁ። መቼም የኛ ነገር ”መለያየት ሞት ነው” ሳይሆን ”መለያየት ሕይወት ነው” የተባለ ይመስል ”መለያየት መለያየት አሁንም መለያየት” ሆኗል ሥራችን። ለምሳሌ ስሙን ”አንድነት” ብሎ የሰየመው ፓርቲ ወደ መለያየት እያመራ መሆኑ ለሰማ ሰው ባይገርም ደስ አይልም። እጅግ በጣም እጅግ አሳዛኙ ነገር ግን በቅዱስ ሲኖዶስ ዙሪያ የሆነው እና እየሆነ ያለው ነገር ነው። ደጉ ንጉሥ ክርስቶስ መፍትሔውን ይስጠን!
አገር ቤት ሆኖ ብሎጎችንና እና አጽራረ መንግሥት የሆኑ ገጸ ድሮችን ማየት አይቻልምና ለ፮ ሳምንታት እዛ ያሉትን ሚድያዎች ነበር የምከተታለው። በፕሮክሲ ስሞክርም ያው አንዴ መብራት አንዴ ስልክ እየጠፋ አገር ቤት እየሆነ በነበረው ነገር ዙሪያ በዝርወት ያሉት ድረ ገጾች እና ራዲዮኖች ምን እያሉ እንደሆነ በኢንተርኔት ዳሰሳ ለማወቅ አልቻልኩም ነበር። እናም ትላንት ወደ ሁለተኛው አገሬ መጥቼ ማንበብና ማዳመጥ ያዝኩ። ቀልቤን የሳበው በማኅበረ ቅዱሳን ዙሪያ የዘነበው የሀገር ፍቅር ራዲዮ የስድብ ሞገድ ነው።
የ፲፩ ዓመት የራዲዮው አድማጭ እንደመሆኔ መጠንና ማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን በቅርብ የማውቄን ያህል ራዲዮው ስለማኅበሩ ባቀረባቸው ዝግጅቶች ዙሪያ አንድ ሁለት ነገር ለማለት እነሆ ተነሳሁ።
በሚመስለኝ ነገር ወይም በምመኘውና በምገምተው ነገር ሳይሆን በማውቀው ነገር ላይ ነው የማተኩረው። አቶ ንጉሤና ዶ/ር በላይ በማኅበረ ቅዱሳን ዙሪያ እያቀረቡት ያለው ነገር ፍጹም ሐሰት ከመሆኑም በላይ ታላላቅ ጉዳዮችን እንደ ጥቃቅን፤ በጎ ነገሮችን እንደ በደል፤ ያልተደረጉ ነገሮችን እንደተደረጉ፤ የተደረጉ ነገሮችን እንዳልተደረጉ አድርጎ የሚያቀርብ እጅግ የወረደ ዝግጅት ነው ብለው ደረጃውን አይገልጸውም። ታላላቅ ነገሮችን ከራሱ ስሜት፡ ጥቅምና አቅም ብቻ የሚመለከት ሰው መቼም ያልታደለ ነው ብዬ አምናለሁ።
እስቲ ከሚሉት ነገር አንዳንዱን ላንሳ።
ስለ አመሠራረቱ
ማኅበሩ ባልነበረበት ዘመንና ቦታ ነበረ ማለት የማይገናኙ ነገሮችን በማገናኘት ኢህአፓን ሉሲ ነች ያቋቋመችው ወይም ኢህአፓ በነሉሲ ዘመን ነበር ከሚለው ተረት ጋር ሲነጻጸር ልዩነቱ የዘመን ርዝማኔ ብቻ ነው ።
ስለ አደረጃጀቱና ስለ አባላቱ
ከጥሩ ጭንቅላት የሚወጣን ጥሩ ንግግር የሚያደርገውን ልጅ ”ተንኮለኛ” እያለ በሚጠራ ማኅበረሰብ ያደግን ነና የኛ ነገር መውቀስ የምንፈልገው አካል ካለ የሚያስወቅስ ነገር ይኑረውም አይኖረውም ሳይገደን በጎ ነገሩን ሁሉ እየጠቀስን እንደ መጥፎ ነገር ነው የምናወራው። ሀገር ፍቅሮችም የማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን ጠንካራ አደረጃጀትና የአባላት የማንነት ስብጥርን በተመለከተ ሲናገሩት ጥሩ ሆኖ እያለ ሲያቀርቡት ግን መጥፎ ለማስመስል ታትረዋል - ባይሳካላቸውም።
የተጠያቂነት ነገር
ስለ ኦዲትና ስለ ሂሳብም ከተነሳ በራሱ አሠራርና በፈቃጅ አካሉ እውቅና ያለው አሠራር አለው - ማኅበሩ። ይልቁንም የአድባራትና ገዳማት ሂሳብና ኦዲት ዘመናዊ አሠራር እንዲከተል ለማድረግ የሚያግዝ አቅም አለው - ስንታደል የምንጠቀምበት።
የገቢ ምንጭን በተመለከተ
ለቤተ ክርስቲያኒቱ መሠራት ካለበት ነገር አንጻር ማኅበሩ እጅግ ብዙ ገንዘብና ሌላ ቁሳዊ ግብአት የሚያስፈልገው ሥራ መሥራት ይቀረዋል። ከተመሠረተበት ጊዜ አንጻር ግን እግዚአብሔር ይመስገንና እጅግ ደስ የሚያሰኝ ሥራ ሠርቷል። እየሠራም ነው። ወደፊትም እንደ እግዚአብሔር ቸርነትም ከአባቶችና እና ኃላፊነታቸን ከሚወጡ ምእመናንን ጋር ሆኖ ይሠራል። እንኳን ታላላቅ ሥራዎችን ለመሥራት ቀርቶ እነ አቶ ንጉሤም እንኳን ራዲዮናቸውን ለማስቀጠል ገንዘብ ያስፈልጋቸዋል። እናም አነጋጋሪ ጉዳይ መሆን ያለበት የማኅበሩ ገቢ ማስገኛ ነገሮችን መክፈት ሳይሆን የቤተ ክርስቲያን ጉዳይ ጉዳያችን ለሆንን ሰዎች ሁሉ የሚያስቆጭ ነገር የማኅበሩ የገቢ ምንጭ ከሥራው አንጻር በበቂ ሁኔታና በብዛት አለመስፋፋቱ ነው። ለዚህም የሁላችን አስተዋጽኦ ያስፈልጋል።
ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን የሰዎች ስብስብ ነውና አባላቱ ድካም ይኖርባቸዋል። በቅዱሳን ስም እና የቅዱሳንን በረከት ምርኩዝ የእግዚአብሔርን ቸርነት መከታ አድርጎ የተቋቋመውም ድካም ያለባቸው ሰዎች ስብስብ በመሆኑ ነው። አባላቱ ከማንኛውም ሰው ጋር የሚጋሩትን ድካም ጠቅሶ ጥላሸት መቀባት ግን አየር ላይ በሚታዩ የፖለን ዱቄቶች ምክንያት የፀሐይ ብርሃንን ውበት አጣጥሎ ብርሃን አይደለም ጨለማ ነው ማለት እንዳይሆን ሁለቴ እናስብ።
በነፃ አገር በነፃ አየር የሀገር ፍቅር ራዲዮን የምትሰሙም ሆናችሁ ምንጭ ያደረገውን የስድብ መፅሐፍ የምታነቡ ወደ በአካል ወደ ማኅበሩ በመጠጋት ስለማኅበሩ ተረዱ። በአካለ ሥጋ ለማትችሉ የሚከተሉት ገጸ ድሮች ይጠቅማሉ ብዬ ተስፋ አደርጋለሁ።
http://www.eotc-mkidusan.org/ http://www.mahiberekidusan.org/
http://www.tewahedomedia.org/
ስለሚታወቀው ነገርና መረጋገጥ ስለሚችል ነገር መናገር የማይችል ሰው ስለማይታወቀው ነገርና መረጋገጥ የማይችለውን ነገር በመጥቀስ ማስፈራራቱ የተለመደ ነው። አድማጮችና አንባቢዎች ግን ከዚህ ወጥመድ ውጡ። እንደሚታወቀው ስሜት፡ ወሬ እና ጤዛ በዛው መጠን እና ይዘት የሚቆየው ያው የጽድቅ ፀሐይ እስኪወጣ ብቻ ነው። ይህ የጽድቅ ፀሐይም ሁሌ እንደወጣ ነው።
እስከዛ ግን በዶክተር በላይ ማፈሬ ነው።

43 comments:

arbaminch said...

As my brother said it, mahibere kidusan is defending our church ,Orthodox tewahedo, from extremist islams and tehadeso (rule changers) in a christian way. What surprises me most is that the so called 'sidetenyaw sinodos' is doing what it can to talk bad about mahibere kidusan.
But Mahibere kidusan doesn't need anybody to describe it. The work it accomplished so far speaks for itself.

as an individual mahibere kidusan has shown me how to become a better orthodox chirstian when i was in university . it made me eager to know about my church history and my faith. It has saved many people to go to Sunday church instead of Saturday night party. If you ask any orthodox christian who graduated from a university , he/she will tell you all the good things mahibere kidusan has done and is doing. Despite the fact,Those who never encountered it talk inconsistently bad stuff about it.

if anybody has any complains or problems with mahibere kidusan , I advise you to go to thier gatherings and see what they are actually doing with your own eyes.



"hagere ethiopia monyi nesh telala Yemotelish kerto yegedelesh bela"

GOD bless Ethiopia
Yehulachinm Mecheresha Yasamirilin!

tad said...

To Abel Zeqedamawi:
It is true that the three groups mentioned by you (fundamentalist muslims,tehadisos and pentecostals)are enemies of MK. But,but,but, that doesn't mean that every body who disagree with some of what MK did and does belongs to these three groups. If you tend to generalize things and close your doors for improvement and self criticism, you will end up being Abune Paulos or Abune Melketsedek(Exiled). That was and is what I didn't like about MK. Please work for the broader EOC instead of looking for the temporary way out. I know Mk had been unconditional supporter of Abba Paulos for the past 17yrs and now every thing fell apart and exposed. At least now work for the all rounded reconciliation of EOC. Tell your members how to behave around the Non-MK EOC members and guide them to be humbile.Don't give a blank check to any bishop because he belongs to Ethiopian Synod. Why MK have to announced on its web page about the Abba Zekarias's church in NY, after he fled Ethiopia with a haul of poor EOC members money. Double standared? On one side we fight Abba Paulos for corruption and on the other side...
You see this is what I don't understand.
Thanks

Anonymous said...

በስመ አብ ወወልድ ወመንፈስ ቅዱስ አህዱ አምላክ አሜን።

ማህበረ ቅዱሳን - የ21ኛው ክፍለ ዘመን ፈሪሳውያን (ግልገል ፈሪሳውያን)ናቸው።
የውስጥ ሳይሆነ የውጩን የሚያጠሩ የነጠላ ክርስትና።

እኔም ዩንቨርሲት ተማሪ እያልሁ እከታተላቸው ነበር። እና ስለማህበረ ቅዱሳን አዲስ አይደለሁም። ኢትዮጵያን በሙሉ በህንጻ ቤ/ክ ቢሞሏት ነፍሳት እስካልዳኑ እና ያሉት ደግሞ በክርስቶስ ኢየሱስ ባላቸው እውቀት ካላደጉ ህንጻው ድንጋይ በድንጋይ ላይ ነው እና ይፈርሳል። ምን ያህል አዲስ አማኝ ጨመሩ ለቤ/ክ እኛ አለንላት እያሉ? ምን ያህል ምእመን ወደ ፕሮተስታንት እምነት ፈለሰ?


የእምነታቸውም ሆነ የስብከታቸው ማእከል ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ አይደለም (ኢየሱስ ማለት ተሀድሶ ነው) እስኪ አንተ ኢየሱስ ሲባል የሚሰማሀ የዘመኑ ጴንጤ ወይንስ ጥንታዊቷ ኦርቶዶክስ ተዋህዶ የሰበከቸው የእግዚአብሔር ልጅ ኢየሱስ? ምን ይሰማሃል የማህበረ ቅዱሳን ጉባኤ አለ በለኝ እና ርእሱን እነግርሃለሁ፡ አማላጅነት - ቅዱሳን - ፕሮቴስታንት ወዳጀ እነዚህ ሁሉ በስብከት መሀከል ይጠቀሳሉ እንጅ ክርስቶስ ነው ለህዝባችን የሚያስፈልገው። መናፍቅ፤ ጴንጤ፤ ተሀዶሶ፤ ጸረ ማርያም በማለት የምእመናን ስሜት ለጊዜው ይጭር ይሆናል እንጅ አያንጽም፤ ሌላ እርካታ ፍለጋም ከመፍለስ አያድንም።

ጌታችን ሲናገር ወደ እኔ ኑ እኔ አሳርፋችኋለሁ ብሏል እና አንተ ያ እረፍት አለህ?

ወደ እኔ የሚመጣ ከቶ አይጠማም ብሎናል በ እውነት ያ እርካታ አለህ?

የሮሜን፣ ገላትያን፤ ዕብራውያንን ወይንም የዮሐንስን ወንጌል ወይንም አንድ መጽሀፍ በጥናት ደረጃ ጊዜ ወስደህ አንብበሀል?

መጽሀፍ ቅዱስን በእለት ከእለት ህይወትህ ምን ያህል ለህይወት ታጠናልህ?

ከእ/ር መንፈስ ቅዱስ ጋር ምን ያህል ህብረት አለህ?



የመንፈስ ቅዱስ ህብረት ከሁላችሁ ጋር ይሁን አሜን!!!


DK
I will be back

Anonymous said...

The most devout supporters and members of the Mahebere Kidusan usually label those who criticise the organisations approach and some of their actions as the enemies of our church. This action simply reinforces my views about MK, which at best it does not wish to engage with those who have differing views from it on various issues surrounding our church and at worst it wants to eliminate them. They give these good people bad name, and try to label them as 'menafekan' etc.

On the other hand Mahebere Kidusan is often listened praising the real enemies of the church, like Abune Paulos, 'Kebure' Tefera Walewa (the man who said to a gathering of people in Ethiopia's south that the Orthodox church was full of Amhara and Gurage Neftegoch) etc. MK interviewed Ato Tefera shortly afterwards and laid praises upon him, and did not question him about his statement strongly....on the other hand, MK chose silence or gave lip service when innocent Memenane were slaughtered in Addis Ababa, Jimma, Gonder, etc. Even worse it was heard labelling those who spoke out as 'Poletikegoch'. A case in point is Timket celebrations at Yeka Michael church in 2006. When Memenane were shot and killed at the celebrations.

Where I live, MK members use an organised psychological ‘warfare’ against those who do not toe the line or have serious questions to ask about the organisation dealings. This action is usually carried out on their members who think for themselves.

In my view the majority of the MK members (followers) are good meaning people with high aspirations for their church. Some of those who joined as members usually are tactically isolated from their friends and sometimes family by the 'appointed heads' of the organisations. Reprisal in the form of isolation, defamation etc are used on those who questioned or did not toe the line. This can not be Kedus action!.

MK use the highest form of diplomacy, and shy language, when it comes to speaking out for the truth, and yet they go out of their ways to praise those who deserve praising the least, or to tarnish the names of those who chose the truth over comfort in lies.

Chere Yasemane

Anonymous said...

I dislike some of them not the association in general. the majority are truly Christian people and live the life more than some of us here who are disregarding the association in general. but there are business men in the name of the association i know. they are using the association for their daily survival. they pretend to be leading the association but live their life:) since the association help them to live they abandoned their jobs, studies,bla bla. to continue to use the association they should always create some sort of girigir. so let us try to meleyet sininager okay?::))

Tazabiw said...

“Anony…” wrote:
Where I live, MK members use an organized psychological ‘warfare’ against those who do not toe the line or have serious questions to ask about the organization dealings. This action is usually carried out on their members who think for themselves.”

Did you just make that up? That sounds like the Nazi Party.
By the way, where is this place (you live)? We can ask the members to collaborate your inference. Don’t you think that would be wise ? And when you reply, please use a name we can reply to (don’t leave it at “anony…”).

Wey sew kentu! ale yagere sew.

Tazabiw

Vision 2020 said...

Selam Tazabiw

No I did not make that up. It does happen. The choice of my word, 'warfare' may be a bit too strong/out of place, I admit. However psychological control measures are exercised. Any form of manipulation is not on the side of good.

There are issues MK need to and must address.

It needs to put its house in order to enable it meet worthy goals. A couple of these measures, in my humble opinion, should include the following:

1: Speaking out loud and CLEAR very CLEAR, on behalf of the voiceless, the poor, the harassed, and the oppressed. These will be in line with the deeds of Kidusan Abatoch in whose name the Maheber is assembled. If this proofs to be too hot to handle or difficult for their 'survival', I suggest they need to refrain from attacking those who speak out the truth. They should stop portraying those unworthy individuals as defenders of the faith. Tifaten limate kakew hule yeketelale. Atfiewem ketefatu ayemarem.
2: It needs to concentrate on the issues that really matter to the youth of the church and the youth of the country as a whole. You see, the issues that matter to most of us, assuming it counts, is not just procedures or impressive manner of talking or the way one is dressed, as important as these are. The children of the church need to grow up knowing the meaning and values of courage, honour, responsibilities and even sacrifice for worthy causes such as faith, truth, justice, country, and people.

You are right, sew kentu newe, tesebari shekla, siyalke keri newe. Sera ena tiru seme gene zelalemawi newe, like Abune Petros....

Bertatune yesten!

Orthodoxawit said...

Tad dear
I have see the announcement of the New York Church .This church was bought by King Haile Selassie 50 years ago, before the greater Ethiopian population started migrating to the US. It has been the first Arch diocese of EOTC since two years ago when North America was divided into three dioceses, yet none of the churches in the US have given any recognition to it or even had the permission of the Arc Bishop to open(establish) their Churches. This is actually long story I won’t go into it but my point is that if Mahibere Kidusan has posted the announcement it is for a good reason that is every follower of the EOTC should celebrate the 50th year of EOTC in the western ስላልታደልን ነው እንጂ ይህንንማ ሁሉም የተዋህዶ ልጆች በአንድ ላይ ሆነን ነበር ማክበር የነበረብን. Abune Zakarias came yesterday so do you think we should leave our 50 years history just because He came here Rather I prefer sending him back by uniting our self and confronting with ቤተ ክህነትን ሆን እራሳቸውን አቡነ ዘካሪያስን of what he did.

Anonymous said...

Dear bro/sis:

It's good to bring the work of Mahiber Kidusan for discussion if it's in a constructive way. I think mahiber kidusan also will use those feedbacks to evaluate its work.

Our comment also should be based on facts and provide an alternative idea as a solution.

As a particpate of this blog, I don't like to read "fre-kersik werie". Please avoid comments with a simple hate and jelousy like "ewnetu" wrote. He brings the church issue to personal...

I hope we all work for the better future of our church and encourages people who is working to it. We have to support each other if we want to see the renaissance of our church.

Andu ye-andun dekam yeshekem aydele yetebalenew. Melakm and fruitful discussion!!!!!

Sep.

Anonymous said...

MK is serving the true chrch of Jesus if you disput this go and ask about thier service in back home.But if you expect perfection from MK, go and study Holy Bible and Church Histry.

I support MK, however, it doesn't mean I agree 100% with them in each every point. Even I don't agree with my wife 100% but I love her, I live with her. My wife and me work for the good of our house.

I love my church, MK work hard for this Church(The true Chrch of Jesus Christ), so I support them. I am christian I don't expect them to be perfect. Becase I know God is the only one perfect.

Those of you Protestants/Tehadsos/ are you realy want to preach gosple? so why don't you go after the followers of Mohamed they are millions.

Jesus Christ the Son of God is Lords of Lord. He is the Master of our our church. Because of Him we are still a live.

God bless all of us amen.

Selmawi

Bertu said...

1. The current members of this organization may not even be aware of the history of this hideous organization, as they were not even born when the organization was first formed.
It all began as opposition group of the late Abuna Tewoflos as “Atekalye Gubaye” for three primary reasons.

1) Abuna Tewoflos began in earnest the ground work for making the church to be economically self sufficient especially from the grips of dictatorial regimes. This Gubaye opposed this plan from the start and in 1975 they used the Arat Kilo Property as falls evidence to bring a drummed charges of corruption against the patriarch which was used by the Derg for the massacre of the Holy Father. Ironically today almost 40 years later these properties are providing the intended benefit to the church proving the Abuna Tewoflos insightful vision

2) In order to forever curb the influence of menafekan and “Atekalye Gubaye”, the patriarch in acted the formation of “Sebeka Gubaye” allowing every member of the parish to participate in the daily activity of the church till this very day.

3) Unlike today’s state of the church “Teneshewa Mekele”, The Holy father was a staunch Ethiopian who vehemently opposed to ethnic preferences in order to serve the body of Christ which ran to the contrary of “Atekalye Gubaye” main goal.
After its successful role in the assassination of the Holy Father, in 1981 the organization had a nerve to submit application to the Holy Synod to freely organize within the Church without any kind of accountibility. The Late Abuna TekleHaimanot sealed its fate by denying its request and later on its ultimate refugee in Zewaye region where it adopted the current infamous name “Mahebere Kidusan”. This coincided with the invasion of Woyane in 1991 who perfectly knew the history of the organization to successfully used it as a readymade tool to infiltrate the Church for its own agenda. From that time forward “Mahebere Kidusan” was allowed to organize for the first time free from the church’s authority in every parish throughout Ethiopia except Tigray region.

In 2001 the division within Woyane’s rank gave a new golden opportunity to “Mahebere Kidusan” when the surviving woyane entity (Melese’s flank) who moved to seek alliance with other nationalities as its lost a significant Tigray base. In this endeavor Aba Geberemedhene was quickly summoned to give a legal authority to “Mahebere Kidusan” to legalize its activity for the purpose of recruiting Woyane’s support as well as purge anyone who remain against woyane in the church. This 36 pages proclamation which was signed by 15 archbishops of Aba GebreMedhin on Ethiopian Calander Nehase 12/11/1994 (EC August 2002) with Synod doc # 187/275/94 gave “Mahebere Kidusan” unprecedented authority to destroy the Ethiopian Orthodox Church from within.

see document: www.ethiopianreview.com/2008/mahebere_kidusan_empowerrment_by_synod.pdf

Bertu said...

Continued.......

Since that time (till most recently) a high level delegate led by Daniel Kebret have been given limitless financial and diplomatic latitude with double mission to infiltrate the Diaspora Church’s primarily to reject the legitimate patriarch of Abuna Merkorios. If this initial plan fails, to campaign for the Diaspora church’s in proclaiming neutrality which of course is unheard of in the Orthodox Christian Faith for the last 2000 years. This clever tactic if successful provides the dilemma of an “Orthodox Church without Archbishops” a misnomer as it will create “Wefe Zerash” generation that forever excommunicate itself from its mother church. Anyone who calls for ‘neutrality’ knowingly or otherwise is practicing from the playbook of “Mahebere Kidusan” ultimately Aba Gebgremedhin and Woyanne. One can simply refers the truism of the 700 million strong orthodox family worldwide which phrases, ‘if one cannot recite his/her baptismal and archbishop’s name one cannot call himself/herself an Orthodox Christian”. (But this should be left for a later date for broader discussion.)

Seeing and calling for what it is, there is a contract on Ethiopia and the Orthodox Tewahedo Church as this priceless institution which defines the country we know staggers to behold. As Abuna Gorgorios once defined it, ‘the church that gave Ethiopia its faith, its language with Fidel, its existence with freedom …….is unlike any other in the world’ Therefore, to all of us the church and the country is the two faces of the same coin. For anyone to argue to restrain from exposing the sinister contract to destroy the church (and their by dismembering the nation of Ethiopia) is simply asking all of us to standby within the limit of artificial boundary and surrender everything that define us.

Now the inevitable has come to roost. The dragon net planted to enslave the Ethiopian people is turning its venomous fang against its master. ማቅ (ማሀብረ ቅዱሳን ) the adoring nickname given to MK by the Ethiopian faithful has now suffered a mortal blow when it lost all its material holding to the church and exiled its pseudo patriarch Daniel Kibret who in his recent article compared Jesus Christ with Prophet Mohammed. http://deje-selam.blogspot.com/2009/03/blog-post_28.html. This is the sad end of Mahebere Kidusan, and glory to the divine God of Aba Tekelhaimanot who did it.

My heart goes out to those young members of “Mahebere Kidusan” who unknowingly are complicit with the most evil alien ever to occupy our nation. Christ the Lord has given all of us the passage of repentance to join the everlasting mercy of his kingdom, and we shall pray for that day to come upon them. Today however, I am more concerned with millions of faithful of the church and the people of Ethiopia to make sure the agent of nation-killers are not left without measure.

Long Live Ethiopia and her Church
Bertu

tad said...

Dear Orthodoxawit;
Thank you for your respose and "confront Abba Zekarias"? Let us do it.You know why I was mean on MK on this issue? It is because MK was the first to condenm people when they do some thing wrong in EOC and come here and join the so called exiled synod. Why wait this long on Abune Zecaris? Why Mk needed help now and not then?. I don't want to make an intellectual guess. But call the spade spade. Do you know what Abune Paulos said when he was confronted about corruption? Let every bishop be audited.That was when some of the bishops, I don' want to name, began to retreat.
Please let us hold every body accountable. No gojjam, No gondar, No shoa, No tigray, No wollo. No back door entering.
Thanks

Anonymous said...

Selam Bertu,

I don't know why some people working hard to spread false information if they are EOTC me'emen. I think you just create your own history about Mahiber kidusan.

I don't know in which group you are who hate MK. But if you are in the third group,I posted hereunder what they are saying, pls try to reconcile with your perception with them and test its truthfulness( becuase it's easy for the third group to open thier mind to find the truth)

I personally know most of the dates and inceidences that you explains are totally wrong... pls look at your spritual life and work hard to get the kingdoom of God if you blieve with it.

May God be with you, and helps all of us to be a good christian!

Bego Helina...


የማኅበሩ አመሠራረት
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ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን በከፍተኛ ትምህርት ተቋማት ውስጥ በእግዚአብሔር ፈቃድ የተጀመረ የኦርቶዶክሳውያን ወጣቶች መንፈሳዊ እንቅስቃሴ የወለደው ነው፡፡ ለዚህ መንፈሳዊ እንቅስቃሴ መጀመር ቁጥራቸው ከአምስት የማይበልጡ ኦርቶዶክሳውያን ተማሪዎች ምክንያት ከመሆናቸው በቀር በወቅቱ ዛሬ የምናውቀውን ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን ለመመሥረት በሰው የተነደፈ ዓላማና ለዚያ ሲባልም የተሠራ አንድም ተግባር አልነበረም፡፡ ይሁን እንጂ ይህን መንፈሳዊ እንቅስቃሴ ለመጀመር ምክንያት የሆኑ ሁኔታዎች መኖራቸው ግልጥ ነው፡፡ እነዚህም ከዚህ በመቀጠል የሚጠቀሱት ናቸው፡

ሀ. በከፍተኛ የትምህርት ተቋማት ውስጥ የነበረው የመናፍቃን እንቅስቃሴ
ከ1970ዎቹ መጀመሪያ አንሥቶ በሀገራችን በነበረው ከፍተኛ የፖለቲካ ጡዘት የተነሣ በከፍተኛ የትምህርት ተቋማት የሚማሩት ተማሪዎች በአብዛኛዉ የወቅቱ አምላክ የለሽ #ማርኪሳዊ ሌኒናዊ$ ፍልስፍና ሰለባ ከመሆናቸውም በተጨማሪ የቀሩት ደግሞ በእነዚህ ተቋማት ውስጥ ሁኔታዎች የተመቻቹለት መናፍቃን እንቅስቃሴ አራማጆች ነበሩ፡፡ በዚያ ወቅት እንደ ኋላቀርና የዕድገት እንቅፋት የምትቆጠረው የኢትዮጵያ ኦርቶዶክስ ተዋሕዶ ቤተ ክርስቲያን ልጆች በእነዚህ ከላይ በተጠቀሱት ሁለት ጎራዎች መካከል የአጣብቂኝ ተይዘው ከባድ ፈተና ይርስባቸው ነበር፡፡ ከእነዚሁ መካከል እግዚአብሔር እንደ ምክንያት አድርጎ ያስነሣቸው ጥቂት የተዋሕዶ ልጆች የሚደርስባቸውን ታላቅ ፈተና እና ጫና ተቋቁመው በአቅራቢያቸው ወደሚገኙት አብያተ ክርስቲያናት በመሔድ፤ በዕለተ ሰንበትም በማስቀደስ፤ በአጽዋማትም የሚገጥማቸውን ችግር ሁሉ በመቻል አንዱ ሌላውን እያጽናኑ ያሳለፉት ጊዜ እንደሰማዕትነት የሚቆጠር ነበር፡፡

በተለይ በ1977 ዓ.ም በአዲስ አበባ ዩኒቨርስቲ የሶሻል ሳይንስ ኮሌጅ /ስድስት ኪሎ/ በሕንፃ ቁጥር 505 ዶርም ቁጥር 028 ውስጥ በቅዱስ ገብርኤል ስም በአምስት ወጣቶች አማካኝነት ታኅሣሥ 19 የተመሠረተው የመኝታ ቤት የጽዋ መርሐ ግብር እነዚህን መንፈሳውያን ወጣቶች በዓላማ ለማሰባሰብና ለአርአያነት እንዲበቁ ያስቻለ እንቅስቃሴ ነበር፡፡ ይህ በመኝታ ቤቱ ፋኩልቲ /አራት ኪሎ/ የተደገመ ሲሆን በውጤቱም የስድስት ኪሎ፤ የአምስት ኪሎ እና የአራት ኪሎ ግቢዎች ተማሪዎች እንዲተዋወቁና ተሰባስበው በመንበረ ፓትርያርክ ቅድስተ ቅዱሳን ማርያም ቤተ ክርስቲያን መጠለያ ሥር ስለ ሃይማኖታቸው ለመማር የሚችሉበትን መርሐ ግብር ለመጀመር አበቃው፡፡ በዚህ ሳያበቃ በአምስት



ተማሪዎች የተጀመረው ጉባኤ በመስፋቱ በምስካየ ኅዙናን መድኃኔዓለም ገዳም በሚገኘው የተምሮ ማስተማር ሰንበት ት/ቤት በተለየ መርሐ ግብር በየሳምንቱ እሑድ መማር ተጀመረ፡፡

ከዚህ በኋላ ይኸው የከፍተኛ ትምህርት ተቋማት ተማሪዎች በአቅራቢያቸው ወደሚገኝ አጥቢያ አብያተ ክርስቲያናት ሄዶ የመማር ሂደት ቀጥሎ መጀመሪያ የሳይንስና ቴክኖሎጂ ፋኩልቲ ተማሪዎች በመንበረ መንግሥት ቅዱስ ገብኤል ገዳም በዐምደ ሃይማኖት ሰንበት ት/ቤት፤ የኮተቤ መምህራን ትምህርት ኮሌጅ ተማሪዎች በኮተቤ ቅዱስ ገብርኤል ቤተክርስቲያን፤ የደብረ ዘይት እንስሳት ሕክምና ተማሪዎች በቅዱስ ሩፋኤል ቤተ ክርስቲያን፤ የጂማ ጤና ሳይንስ ተማሪዎች በጂማ ኪዳነ ምሕረት ቤተክርስቲያን መርሐ ግብሮች ተጀመሩ፡፡

በመቀጠልም በሕንፃ ኮሌጅ፤ በጥቁር አንበሳ ሕክምና ፋኩልቲ፤ በጂማ መምህራን ማሠልጠኛ፤ በጎንደር ሕክምና ሳይንስ ኮሌጅ፤ በአሥመራ ዩኒቨርሲቲ፤ በባሕርዳር ፖሊቴክኒክ ኢንስቲትዩትና በባሕርዳር መምህራን ኮሌጅ፤ በዓለማያ የኒቨርሲቲ፤ በአዋሳ እርሻ ኮሌጅ ተመሳሳይ የመንፈሳዊ ትምህርት መርሐ ግብሮች በሰፊው መካሄድ ጀመሩ፡፡

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እነዚህ በየከፍተኛ የትምህርት ተቋማቱ የሚካሄዱትን መነፈሳውያን መርሐ ግብሮች ዛሬ ለምናውቀው ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን መመሥረት እንደ ዋነኛ ምክንያት ለጠቀሱ ይችላሉ፡፡


ለ. በ1977 ዓ.ም በመተከል እና በጋምቤላየተደረገው የከፍተኛ ትምህርት ተቋማት የመንደር ምሥረታ ዘመቻ
እግዚአብሔር ሥራውን የሚሠራው እርሱ ብቻ በሚያውቀው ረቂቅ ጥበብ ነውና በዚያ ዘመን በመተከልና በጋምቤላ የተደረገው የተማዎች የመንደር ምሥረታ ዘመቻ የየተቋማቱ ተማሪዎች በከፊልም ቢሆን እንዲገናኙና በየግቢዎቻቸው ስላሉት መንፈሳውያን መርሐ ግብሮች ሐሳብ ለመለዋወጥ ዕድል ፈጥሮላቸዋል፡፡ ይህ ዘመቻም በወቅቱ በነበረው መሰባሰብ በአዲስ አበባ ዩኒቨርስቲ ሥር በሚገኙ ግቢዎች የተጀመረው የጽዋ መርሐ ግብር ከሌሎች ግቢዎች በመጡት ተማሪዎች ዘንድ እንዲታወቅ በማድረግ ረገድ ጉልህ ድርሻ ነበረው፡፡ ይህም ለዛሬው የማኅበረ ቅዱሳን ህልውና አስተዋጽዖ ከነበራቸው ሁኔታዎች አንዱ ነበር፡፡

ሐ. ብፁዕ አቡነ ጎርጎርዮስ ካልዕ እና የዝዋይ ሐመረ ብርሃን ቅዱስ ገብርኤል ገዳምና የካህናት ማሠልጠኛ
ብፁዕ አቡነ ጎርጎርዮስ ካልዕ በስድስት ኪሎ የተጀመረውን መንፈሳዊ እንቅስቅሴ ቀድሞ በዝዋይ የካህናት ማሠልጠኛ ተምረው ዩኒቨርስቲ ከገቡ ጥቂት ተማሪዎች መካከል አንዱ በሆነው ወጣት አማካኝነት ከአወቁበት ከ1979 ዓ.ም ጀምሮ የተማሪዎቹን የመማር ሂደት በአንክሮ ይከታተሉት ነበር፡፡ የሸዋ ሀገረ ስብከት ሊቀጳጳስና የዝዋይ ሐመረ ብርሃን ቅዱስ ገብርኤል ገዳምና የካህናት ማሠልጠኛ መሥራችና የበላይ ኃላፊ የነበሩት እኝህ አባት የወጣቶችን ልቡና ማርከው ወደ ቤተ ክርስቲያን አገልግሎት ለማምጣት የነበራቸው ጽኑ ፍላጐት ለዘመኑ ትውልድ በሚገባና ለጥያቄዎቹም ምላሽ በሚሰጥ መልኩ ባሳተሟቸው መጻሕፍት የሚንፀባረቅና በማሠልጠኛው ውስጥ ለተሰበሰቡት ሠልጣኞች በየዕለቱ በሚሰጡት ትኩረትና ትምህርት የሚታይ ነበረ፡፡

ብፁዕነታቸው ወጣቱ የኅበርተሰብ ክፍል ለሀገሩ ተቆርቋሪና ለቤተ ክርስቲያኑ /ለሃይማኖቱ/ ቀናዒ እንዲሆን፤ በተለይም የተማረው ትውልድ ከቤተ ክርስቲያን እንዳይርቅና ይልቁንም በመንፈሳዊ አገልግሎት ተሣታፊ እንዲሆን የሚያስችል ሥርዓተ ትምህርት ቀርፀው በሚሰጡት ጥልቅ ሥልጠና ባጭር ጊዜ ውስጥ ብዙ ወጣት መምህራነ ወንጌልን እንዳፈሩ የሚታወቅ ነው፡፡

ይህን በማገንዘብ በ1980 ዓ.ም በአዲስ አበባ ዩኒቨርስቲ የሚማሩት ወጣቶች የዕረፍት ጊዜያቸውን /የክረምቱን ወራት/ በዝዋይ የካህናት ማሠልጠኛ በመማር ለማሳለፍ ያቀረቡላቸውን የፈቃድ ጥያቄ ብፁዕነታቸው የተቀበሉት በከፍተኛ አድናቆትና ደስታ ነበር፡፡ ምናልባትም የተማረውን ወጣት ትውልድ ወደ ቤተ ክርስቲያን አገልግሎት ለመመለስ የነበራቸውን ዓላማ ለመፈጸም እግዚአብሔር እንዳዘጋጀላቸው መንገድ ነበር የቆጠሩት፡፡

ለቀረበላቸው ጥያቄ ሲመልሱም ‹ቤተ ክርስቲያን እናንተ ከምትገኙበት ድረስ መጥታ ልትፈልጋችሁ ሲገባ እናንተ እርሷን ፍለጋ መምጣታችሁና በዚህ ዘመንም ይህን የመሰለ ጥያቄ ማቅረባችሁ እጅግ የሚደነቅ ነው፡፡ ለቤተ ክርስቲያንም ይህ ታላቅ ደስታ ነው፡፡ እኛ በዝዋይ እንደ እናንተ ያሉ ተማዎችን ለማሠልጠን የተመደበ በጀትና መኖሪያ ሥፍራ ባይኖረንም ንፍሮ ቀቅለንም ቢሆን በማብላት፤ ድንኳን ተክለንም ቢሆን በማኖር እናስተምራችኋለንና ወደዚህ ለመምጣት የሚሹት ተማሪዎች ሁሉ እንዲመጡ ንገሯቸው› ነበር ያሉት፡፡
በዚህም መሠረት በ1980 ዓ.ም አሥራ ሁለት፣ በ1981 ዓ.ም አሥራ ሁለት እንዲሁም በ1982 ዓ.ም አርባ አምስት ከየተቋማቱ የተውጣጡ ተማሪዎች ወደ ዝዋይ የካህናት ማሠልጠኛ በመግባት የሦስት ወራት የክረምት ሥልጠና በመውሰድና ከብፁዕ አባታችን በልዩ መርሐ ግብር በመማር ለመመረቅ በቅተዋል፡፡
በመጀመሪያው ዓመት ከተመረጡት ወጣቶች አንሥቶ በየዓመቱ ወደ ማሠልጠኛው እየገቡ የተማሩት ሁሉ በብፁዕነታቸው መመሪያና የቅርብ ክትትል በዓመት ሁለት ጊዜ ለሐምሌ ገብርእልና ለታኅሣሥ ገብርኤል ዋዜማ የሚገናኙበት፣ የተመደቡበት የመንግሥት ሥራ ላይ ሆነው ቤተ ክርስቲያንን ለማገልገል ስለሚችሉት ሁኔታ የሚመካከሩበት በኮሚቴ የሚመራ አንድነት እንዲኖራቸው አድርገው ነበር፡፡ ከዚህ በተጨማሪ ከግቢ ውጭ ያሉት ሠራተኞች የሚገናኙበት የእመቤታችን የጽዋ ማኅበር እንዲመሠረትም አድርገዋል፡፡ እነዚህ ወጣቶች በሚገናኙበት ጊዜ ሁሉ ቤተ ክርስቲያን ስላሉባት ፈተናዎችና አሳልፋቸው ስለመጣችው የመከራ ዘመናት፣ ቅዱሳን ልጆቿም ስለአሳለፉት የተጋድሎ ሕይወት በማስተማር ወጣቶች የሃይማኖታቸው ፍቅርና ቅንዓት በውስጣቸው እንዲያድር ለቤተ ክርስቲያን አገልግሎትም ራሳቸውን እንዲሰጡ ለማድረግ ችለው ነበር፡፡ ብፁዕነታቸው ከእነዚህ ወጣቶች ጋር ለቤተ ክርስቲያን የሚበጁ ብዙተግባራትን ለመፈጸም ያቀዱትን ሁሉ ሳይፈጽሙ በእግዚአብሔር ጥሪ በድንገት ከዚህ ዓለም ቢለዩም በወጣቶቹ ልቡና ያተሙት ነገረ ቤተ ክርስቲያን፣ ከፍተኛ የሆነ የአገልግሎት ፍቅርና ለሃይማኖታቸው የመቆርቆር ስሜት እንዲኖራቸው አድርጓል፡፡ በዚህም የተነሣ በሚፈጽሙት በእያንዳንዱ የቤተ ክርስቲያን አገልግሎት የብፁዕነታቸውን ምክርና መመሪያዎች ዛሬም ያስታውቋቸዋል፡፡ ብፁዕ አቡነ ጎርጎርዮስ ካልዕ በማኅበረ ቅዱሳን የአገልግሎት ታሪክ ውስጥ ምንጊዜም ሲታወሱ የሚኖሩ ለማኅበሩ መመሥረትም ከፍተኛውን አስተዋጽዖ ያደረጉና ዘመናዊውን ወጣት ለቤተ ክርስቲያን አገልግሎት ይበቃ ዘንድ ልቡናውን ለመማረክ የቻሉ የታላቅ የቤተ ክርስቲያናችን አባት ናቸው፡፡

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መ. ወደ ብላቴ የወታደር ማሠልጠኛ የተደረገው የከፍተኛ ትምህርት ተቋማት ዘመቻ
በተወሰኑ የሀገሪቱ የከፍተኛ ትምህርት ተቋማት የተጀመረው መንፈሳዊ እንቅስቃሴ በተለያዩ የሀገሪቱ ክፍሎች የሚካሄድ በመሆኑ ያልተመጣጠነና ቅንጅት የሚጎድለው ነበር፡፡ ከወቅቱ ሁኔታ አንፃርም ተሰብስቦ ስለ ቤተ ክርስቲያን አገልግሎት ለመወያየት ጉባኤ ማድረግ የሚታሰብ አልነበረም፡፡ የእንቅስቅሴዎቹ ሁሉ መሥራች የሆነው እግዚአብሔር የሚሳነው ነገር የለምና የመሰባሰቢያውን መንገድ እርሱ አመቻቸው፡፡
በ1983 ዓ.ም በመንግሥት ትእዛዝ በሀገሪቱ በሚገኙ ከፍተኛ የትምህርት ተቋማት የሚማሩ ተማሪዎች ሁሉ ለወታደራዊ ሥልጠና ወደ ብላቴ የማሠልጠኛ ካምፕ እንዲገቡ ሆነ፡፡ ከሀገሪቱ አራቱ አቅጣጫዎች በሚገኙ ተቋማት የነበሩ ተማሪዎች ሁሉ በአንድ ሥፍራ በመሰባሰባቸው በየግቢዎቻቸው የጀመሩትን መንፈሳዊ መርሐ ግብር በአንድነት ለማካሄድና ለመመካከርም ዕድል አገኙ፡፡ ዐበይት በዓላትን /ለምሳሌ የትንሣኤንና የእመቤታችንን የልደት በዓል/ በማክበር የተጀመረው መርሐ ግብር ተጠናክሮ ወደ ሙሉ የትምህርት ጉባዔነት አደገ፡፡ በሳምንት ውስጥም ለአራት ቀናት ያህል በምሽት መከናወን ቀጠለ፡፡ በወቅቱ ከዘመቱት ተማዎች መካከል ቀደም ብለው በዝዋይ የካህናት ማሠልጠኛ ከብፁዕ አቡነ ጎርጎርዮስ ካልዕ ዘንድ የተማሩ ምሩቃን በመኖራቸው በዝዋይ የካህናት ማሠልጠኛ ይሰጥ የነበረው ኮርስ በብዙህ ሺህ ለሚቆጠሩት የሁሉም ተቋማት ተማሪዎች ሊሰጥ ቻለ፡፡ የመንግሥት ለውጥ ሆኖ ወታደራዊው ሥልጠና ሲበተን እነዚህ በዚያ የተገናኙት ተማሪዎች ወደየግቢዎቻቸው ሲመለሱ መንፈሳዊ እንቅስቃሴአቸውን አጠናክረው ለመቀጠልና በቅዱስ ሚካኤል መታሰቢያነት የዝክር መርሐ ግብር ለማድረግ ብጽዓት ገብተው ተለያዩ፡፡ ከዘመቻው በኋላ ወደ ኬንያ ለተጓዙት ተማሪዎች የተጀመረው መንፈሳዊ ትምህርት ሳይቋረጥ ቀጥሎ ነበር፡፡ ይህም እንግዲህ ለዛሬው ማኅበረ ቅዲሳን መመሥረት ከፍተኛ አስተዋጽዖ የነበረው በእግዚአብሔር ፈቃድ የተፈጠረና የተመቻቸ ሁኔታ ነው፡፡
በአጠቃላይ በ1970ዎቹ በነበረው የፖለቲካ እንቅስቃሴ የተነሣ በየከፍተኛ የትምህርት ተቋማቱ የነበረው የፀረ ሃይማኖት ፖሊሲ ወደየተቋማቱ የሚቡትን ተማሪዎች ከቤተ ክርስቲያን ስለአራቃቸውና ይህም ቤተ ክርስቲያኒቱ ተተኪ ትውልድ እንድታጣ ወጣቱም ወደ ቤተ ክርስቲያን በመሄድ ነገረ እግዚአብሔርን ለመስማት ዕድል እንዳይኖረው በማድረጉ በዚያ ዘመንና በመጪው ትውልድ መካከል ክፍተት እንዲፈጠር ሆኖ ነበር፡፡
ይህ ክፍተትም በየትኛውም የቤተ ክርስቲያኒቱ መዋቅር ያልተሸፈነ ስለነበር ከየሰንበት ት/ቤቶቹ ወደ ተቋማት የሚገቡት ወጣት ሲመረቁ በፖለቲካው ፍልስፍና ተለውጠውና ዓለማውያን ወይም መናፍቃን ሆነው እንዲወጡ ከፍተኛ አሉታዊ ተጽእኖ ነበረው፡፡ ከፍ ብለን እንደጠቀስነው ሁሉ በተቋማቱ ውስጥ መናፍቃን በነፃነት ለመንቀሳቀስ የተመቻቸ ሁኔታ በማግኘታቸው ኦርቶዶክሳውያን ወጣቶች ለመናፍቃን ውጊያ የተጋለጡ ነበሩ፡፡ በወቅቲ ደግሞ መናፍቃን ለሚያነሷቸው የክህደትና የኑፋቄ ትምርት መልስ የሚሰጥና የሚያጽናና አካል አልነበረውም፡፡
በእነዚህ ሁኔታዎች የተፈጠረው መዋቅራዊም ሆነ ነባራዊ ክፍተት ሊደፈን ባለመቻሉና የተማረው ትዋሉድም ከቤተ ክርስቲያን ጋር የሚተዋወቅበት ለነፍሱም ቤዛ የሚያገኝበት መንገድ ባለመኖሩ ይህን ቀዳዳ የሚደፍን አካል መኖር ነበረበት፡፡ በተለይም ተማሪዎች ወደ ተቋም ከመግባታቸው በፊት በነበሩት የሰንበት ት/ቤት እና እነዚህ ተማሪዎች ተመርቀው ወጥተው አባላት ሊሆኑ በሚችሉበት የሰበካ ጉባኤ መካከል /በተቋም በሚቆዩበት ጊዜ/ ያለውን ክፍተት የሚሸፍንና እነዚህን ወጣቶች ወደ ቤተ ክርስቲያን መጥተው ሃይማኖታቸውን እንዲያውቁ፣ ቤተ ክርስቲያናቸውን እንዲያገለግሉ የማድረጉን ሥራ የሚያከናውን አካል ያስፈልግ ነበርና በ1977 ዓ.ም በመኝታ ክፍል ውስጥ በአዲስ አበባ ዩኒቨርስቲ ስድስት ኪሎ የተጀመረው የጽዋ መርሐ ግብር ቀስ በቀስ እያደገና በተለያዩ እግዚአብሔር ብቻ በሚያውቃቸውና ባዘጋጃቸው ሁኔታዎች እየሰፋ መጥቶ ዛሬ የምናየውን ‹ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን› ለመሆን በቃ፡፡ ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን በፈቃደ እግዚአብሔር የተወለደ እንጅ በሰዎች ዕቅድ መሠረት በተከናወነ ተግባር የተገኘና ከዚህ የደረሰ ማኅበር አለመሆኑን ሁሉ በጽኑ እንዲያውቅልን እንወዳለን፡፡

Anonymous said...

Sorry I forgot to provide the source where I found this article about mahiber kidusan. It's from their website: http://www.mahiberekidusan.org/Default.aspx?tabid=80&ctl=Details&mid=371&ItemID=130


Ye- amlakachin Chernet Le-hulachin yihunlen!

Anonymous said...

ይድረስ ለወንድሞቸ ለማህበረ ቅዱሳን መሪዎች እና አባላቶች፡

ብዙዎቻችሁ ለኦርቶዶክስ ተዋህዶ እምነት ፍቅር እንዳላችሁ እና ምንም አይነት ጥቅም (ስጋዊ) እንደማትፈልጉ የተረጋገጠ ነው። ጊዜአችሁን፤ እውቀታችሁን፤ ገንዘባችሁን ለቤ/ክ አገልግሎት እንደምታውሉ የታወቀ ነው፡ ግን ደግሞ ድካሙ ሁሉ ከንቱ እንዳይሆን ከ Tad (ታድ) ቀጥሎ ዲኬ ብሎ የጻፈውን ወንድሜ ሀሳብ (ሶስተኛው ኮሜንት) የጻፈውን እጋራለሁ። የመጽሀፍ ቅዱስ መሀከል የሆነው መድኃኒታችንን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስን ቸል የተባል ይመስለኛል፡ ያለ እርሱ ደግሞ ሙሉ ቀን መረብ ብንወረውር (ፕሮፌሽናል አሳ አጥማጅ) ብንሆንም አንድ ማጥመድ አይቻለንም። ለመሆኑ አቦቶቻችን ሲባርኩን ጌታየ ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ ሊቀ ካህናት ሐጥያትን የሚያስተሰርይ ... ሲሉ የጌታችን ሊቀ ካህናት መሆን ምን ማለት ነው? አንደ ቀን ይህን ታላቅ ቁም ነገር ማህበረ ቅዱሳን ወንድሞቻችን ሲያስተምሩት ሰምች አላውቅም። 50 ስብከቶች ካሉ ሁለቱ እንኳን የእርሱ ማንነት እና አሁን በእኛ ህይወት ውስጥ ምን ሊሰራ እንደምችል አያስተምሩም በልባችን እንድናነግሰው አይጋብዙንም። ዲያቆን ዳንኤል ክብረትም ሲናገር "በሄድኩበት ቦታ ሁሉ የምጠየቀው ጥያቄ አለ፣ ለምን አንለወጥም ነው የምጠየቀው" አለ። ህይወት የሆነው ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ ካልተሰበከ እንዴት ህይወት ይሆንልናል። ቤ/ክ ችን የዘራችውን እያጨደች ነው።

ወለቴ ነኝ

Bertu said...

Thank you Anonymous for your narrative posting from Mahebere Kidusan's own official website. I will leave it to all readers to discern for themselves.

However Mahebere Kidusan empowerment Act by Aba Paulos is here for all to see:

http://www.ethiopianreview.com/2008/mahebere_kidusan_empowerrment_by_synod.pdf

God Save Ethiopia, Amen
Bertu

Bertu said...

http://www.ethiopianreview.com/2008/mahebere_kidusan
_empowerrment_by_synod.pdf

Anonymous said...

Selam Bertu,

Thank you for your information.I was looking for a complete information about its duties and responsiblities in our church's administration. I think it will give me more idea how they are working with the existing church's organizational structure.

thanks again! May God be with you!

With God's love.

Anonymous said...

God bless you "ወለቴ"

I am not a memeber of MK but I have positive understanding about them. I am just one christian.

"ወለቴ" you said ከ Tad (ታድ) ቀጥሎ ዲኬ ብሎ የጻፈውን ወንድሜ ሀሳብ (ሶስተኛው ኮሜንት) የጻፈውን እጋራለሁ። የመጽሀፍ ቅዱስ መሀከል የሆነው መድኃኒታችንን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስን ቸል የተባል ይመስለኛል:: I read many times again and again but I Can't find any thing "ሶስተኛው ኮሜንት" on DK comments. I am ready to be correct.

"ወለቴ" you said again "50 ስብከቶች ካሉ ሁለቱ እንኳን የእርሱ ማንነት እና አሁን በእኛ ህይወት ውስጥ ምን ሊሰራ እንደምችል አያስተምሩም በልባችን እንድናነግሰው አይጋብዙንም።" are you sure brother?
please check and Listen http://www.tewahedo.org/daniel.html

If you Listen those preachings they teach us how Jesus Christ will become the Master of our Heart(life) not our Mouth(word/talk). Our church teaches us Jesus Christ The Son of God, our Saviour, Lords of Lord Kings of King... that is የእርሱ ማንነት.

God bless all of us.

Selamwi

Adera yemilachihu said...

Dear beloved Tewahedo followers,

"Peace be unto you" Joh.20:19

I want to believe that all these comments show that Mahbere Kidusan (MK) is striving for excellence.

I am not a member and I don't necessarily have to be a member to become true Christian but one thing is a fact; MK is the only spiritual organization in our Church committed to religious devotion. That doesn't mean that the members don't make mistakes;at times they even make blunders.

Facts don't cease to exist just because they are ignored.

I would like us to appreciate the fact that members of Mk are at different levels and stages of spiritual strength. Novice members are prone to making mistakes;some of the patron ones too.

The only "evil" thing that ought to be denounced is if the members who have committed mistakes blatantly fail to admit their wrong doings or approaches. I hope you will agree with me that such defensive approaches will very likely agitate others and will prompt them to start tarnishing the good image of the holy Mahbere.

I am afraid, may be, those orthodox Tewahedo followers blaming MK have unfortunately gotten exposed too much to weakness of some of the members. The blame should go to the individuals in question, NOT MK. Let's remind ourselves that some of the members failing to live up to the expectation eventually give up MK for their fleshy life,and MK continues with the rest and new members.

I don't think you will suggest MK should induct "perfect" members (is that not behaviour of Hypocrites?). Leave alone the members, MK itself cannot be perfect. But that doesn't stop it to bear the name of Holy fathers.

Implementation/action is always with its challenges; sometimes with its unforeseen crisis.
"Kebero siyayut yamir siyizut yadenagir" yibal yele?

I used to blame MK for some of the approaches the members take to deal with situations; I must say I have realized my weakness that I have been "very good" at making brilliant comments and blaming others for their wrong doings; little did I know that I was just a bystander (behaving like hypocrites). I am not saying I have become a member or intending to be. God willing I might become a member one day.

MK is MK. It should praise the Lord for all these comments.

Notwithstanding, these comments should alert Mk to revise some of its weak approaches.

The members should reflect on their lives. Let them ask themselves whether these many comments are due to the mistakes they have made or not? It is very unfortunate to become a member, without living up to the standard of Mk, and become a stumbling block to others.

Last but not least, let’s focus on the burning issue in our church rather than derailing people’s attention to judging MK.

May God bless us all!

Yours,

From Southern Africa

Anonymous said...

I do not have any meazurment to say these and these. They are very strong in all directions(Fighting enemy of EOTC). They know all problems & solutions but no help at the head of the EOTC,i.e is thier big problem I think. No ABENET SCHOOL without the help of MK. Go and Ask ZURABA, BETELEHEM, any GOJAM ABENET SCHOOL and around WELAYITA. No one looking them from the head of the church. They are fighting this good resource of our church not to be stop. I think if the administration of the EOTC is given to MK, they will manage it in a good way with out salary and without any benefite. Go and ask the church where one member of MK is a member os SEBEKA GUBAE administration, you will get a good feed back, similar to sunday school. I can say starting from 1981EC where ABUNE GORGORIOUS the HAMMER NOH ZEWAY was near & work with this begginer upto now, they are the life of the EOTC. The enemy of MK are those listed by one Anonymous, I will not list again. Their works are known by the result (BESERACHEWU TAWUQACHWALACHHU HEDU ENA EYUACHEW WEYEM SEE ONE OF THEIR WEB SITE WWW.eotc-mkidusan.org/, www.tewahedo.org/. SEE HERE GEDAMAT AND NEWAYE KIDISAT, ALL BOOKS WRITTEN BY MEMBER OF MK.
MK be strong more than the privious. TIME IS NOW. All of us let's Pray for them to do more.
GOD bless us
KDEBERE DAMO

tad said...

To MK:
Areas for improvement:
1. Stop sunday school with in sunday school strategy.
2.Stop establishing MK churches in America, I can name if you want.
3.Stop taking 10%,(that is against EOC teachings).
4.Broaden your agenda for EOC,I mean with out a political solution it is unlikely that there will be a tangible change in EOC.
5. Get new strategy to work with Gonder clergies in America.
6. Minimize being influenced by Shoa clergies and politicians.
7.Confront some of your members who believe that Abune Theofilos was killed because of his heresy,(I have come across)
8.Show that you are financially transparent and accountable( Get an independent auditors for your HQ office)
9.Show and make an official announcement for all rounded reconciliation among bishops both in Ethiopia and in America.
10. I know MK tries to associate itself strongly with the teachings of the late Abune Gorgorious, but most of your members doesn't know a basic teachings of Abune Gorgorious, be it in his books or handout. Like dogma,canona,pork meat,circumcision,... please advise them to be clear on faith and tradition, dogma and canon law, truth and parables...
to be continued...if you want

Anonymous said...

አመሰግናለሁ ሰላማዊ . ተዋህዶ.ኦርግን አውቀዋለሁ አመሰግናለሁ። መቸም ጌታ ሲናገር ልብቻችን ይቃጠልብን ነበር አሉ የኤማሁስ ሰዎች. እ/ር ሲናገር ልብን ይነካል እና ነው ቅዱስ ጴጥሮስ በመንፈስ ቅዱስ ስለ ክርስቶስ ሲመሰክር ብዙዎች ልባቸው ተነክተው ለንስሀ ሲበቁ እናውቃልን። መቸም ርእስ መምረጥ ይችሉበታል እና ውስጡ በተለይ በስብከታቸው ውስጥ ግን መልክቱ ሌላ ነው፡ እስኪ ዲ. ዳንኤል ስለተነሳ የእርሱን ስብከቶች እነመልከት እና ምን ያህል ክርስቶስን መሀከል አድርጎት ከሆነ እንመልከት።

አራቱ የእምነት መመዘኛዎች
ሦስቱ የምክር እና የተግሳጽ አይነቶች
የኢ ቤ/ክ የ 5000 አመት
ጥቃቅን ቀበሮዎች
ነገረ ቅዱሳን 1
ነገረ ቅዱሳን 2
የሰው ልጅ ድህነት በሂደት ወይንስ በቅስፈት (ይህን ሰማው) ወማቃሪ
ይህ ሚስጥር ታላቅ ነው ጋብቻ
ከሰማይ የወረደ እንጀራ እኔ ነኝ ስላለ አንጎራጎሩ
የቤ/ክ አስተዳደራዊ መዋቅር
ከበለስ በታች
የተመረጠ እቃ
ሬካባውያን
የኢ/ኦ ዲያስጶራዊ አገልግሎት
የቤ/ክ ፈታኞች
የቀደመውን ፍቅርህን
አርብ ነው እና ቀኑ
ክፉ ወሬ
ለጥፋት የታዘዘች ከተማ
መንፈሳዊ አገልግሎት
እርሱ የሚነድ እና የሚበራ እሳት ነበር
ተኩላው ማን ነው
ለምን
መጽሃፈ አስቴር
በመዳን ጉዞ የሰው ልጅ ሱታፌ - ይህን ስማው እና እንወያይበታለን።
አብዝቶ መጮህ
ንዝህላልነት
የጸናውን አስቡ
ታላቋ ሴት
ቤ/ክ እና አገልግሎቶቿ

በእኔ እምነት አትዘሙት፤ አትስረቅ፤ ... ህጉን አለማወቃችን አይመስለኝም አብዛኛውን ጊዜ ችግራችን። እርሱ ጌታ በልባችን ገብቶ በሀጥያት ላይ አቅም ካልሰጠን።

እ/ር ይርዳን

ወለቴ

Anonymous said...

I am wondering why we waste our time trying to teach the likes of "Niguse" and "Ewunetu".

It is my strong conviction that such people will never accept the truth no matter what we do ( I think I am right).

I don't think they will accept the truth even if impossible things( Miracles) happen in front of their eyes just for the sake of their salvation.

There are people with negative mindset due to their personality make up or those with hardened hearts like pharaoh.
"Ke Bakela aytatam dikala" yibal yele?

It is my suggestion that we stop replying to their comments. The more we try to prove the truth to them,the more evil they become.
They might learn only through adversity.

It is only very sad for those innocent and naive faithfuls listening to those pervert tongues.

"Save yourselves from perverse generation" Act 2:40

Adera

Anonymous said...

Selam Woletie,

I think it's true that " we are hearing what we want to hear...,"

We also need to get God's willing to hear His word with 'bego helina'. Watch youself brother- most people criticize others and are doing nothing. Egziabher Fetsamewn yasamerelet... Dn. Daniel has been doing a great job...

Ewedehalehu Eyesusie... seletebalem bicha Ayidanem. May God gives His wisdom..

With love,

Gebreyesuse

orthodoxawit said...

To Tad
I have come across this comment .It is very specific and professionally presented but some of the comment are actually over stated or you were miss informed. I personally believe that the good place to start critsism is from the organization bylaw (metedaderia deneb).So I have tried to annotate your comments based on that. I can’t argue that all members abide to the standard of MK nor do they understand the purpose of this Mahibere because they have become members for the name sake. Here is the full document http://www.scribd.com/doc/17903986/MKDenb or you can refer to the official website www.eotc-mkidusan.org
And my anotation at http://www.scribd.com/doc/17915171/To-Tad
please read

Anonymous said...

Thank you Bertu and Tad, Your insight is extremly helpful. The Synod doc that empowered Mahebere Kidusan is unparallel of any Christian at any time and anywhere.I can not imagine a holy Synod giving such empowerment act to any other Mahebere in Ethiopia as well.

There are many good Christians associated with this organization who are completely lost especially at this time. They need to stop labeling people around find a way to work individually with the rest of the faithfulls. I am sure they are always welcome in EOTC without bring the organization into the church.

Let us work by uniting against Aba Paulos and save our beloved church, even if we had stood against each other in the past.

May God help us. Amen!

tad said...

To Orthodoxawit:
Thank you for your prompt respose. Well, I know MK can't control each and every body's action. But you know, many individuals make a group. When you see a pattern you begin to generalize. All of my comments are based on the pattern, not isolated incidents. Was I misinformed about MK?. No. Because I knew MK from the beginning and I follow each the steps it takes. I hope the present crises in EOC gives new openning for MK.Do I want MK to be abolished?, as some of its critics wish. NO. I don't. But I want MK to come with broader and inclusive mind. Think beyond Dn. Daniel, Kesis Dejene or any individuals. Don't be a hostage of individual characters.
I will come with more points in the future, if you wish

Anonymous said...

I used to think that this organization was really great.Now,I just don't want to listen the name of your organization becuase you guys are doing some stupid things like judging people by the cover instead of obesrving for a while what is really going on.Especially, your org.in America really is an obstacle for true christians. Please stop watching somebodys kitchen instead watch yours first.

Orthodoxawi said...

To (Blogger tad):

Yes you are misinformed

I agree with others that you are misinformed, at least on the following issues.
I will focus only on those points that can be directly proved. The others are simply your individual perceptions so I will leave them.

"1. Stop sunday school with in sunday school strategy."

-If you have read MK's "metedaderiya denb" every member of MK is obliged to be either a member of Sunday School or Sebeka Gubae. This is not "sunday school within sunday school strategy". MK is under "Yesenbet Timihirt Betoch Maderaja Memriya" ...just for your information.

"3.Stop taking 10%,(that is against EOC teachings)."

-Read MK's "metedaderiya denb" again. It is only 1% !!! So a memebr of MK should contribute 1% for MK and 10% Asrat through Sebeka Gubae. So please read it again.

"5. Get new strategy to work with Gonder clergies in America.
6. Minimize being influenced by Shoa clergies and politicians."

-These comments are not based on reality.
- MK is not based on ethnic divisions as I read their "Denb" and as far as I know. I will be happy if a member of MK can tell you more. As far as I know MK comprises all Ethiopians. Please avoid such divisive comments.


"7.Confront some of your members who believe that Abune Theofilos was killed because of his heresy,(I have come across)"

-I don't think MK is to be held responsible for "whatever a member is talking" unless it is released under MK's name. Can you imagine to control what every member is talking (out of ten(100) thousands)? Please be fair.

"8.Show that you are financially transparent and accountable( Get an independent auditors for your HQ office)."

-I am sure MK can be a role model in this respect. Better to ask members who have participated in its general assembly.

"10. I know MK tries to associate itself strongly with the teachings of the late Abune Gorgorious, but most of your members doesn't know a basic teachings of Abune Gorgorious, be it in his books or handout. Like dogma,canona,pork meat,circumcision,... please advise them to be clear on faith and tradition, dogma and canon law, truth and parables..."

-As far as I know, maximum care is taken to keep/preserve EOTC's Dogma and Kenona. If you are referring to individuals around you...better to give this comment to them. As an EOTC chrstian you too are responsible to preserve our Dogma/Kenona....why don't you try to correct someone who is going against. Try it like that!

Please revise your comments, if you want to make them constructive. Focus on the main target instead of individuals.

Yikoyen!

Silebetekrstiyan Entseliy!

Enastewul said...

To ወለቴ፣

Thank you for the list of Dn. Daniel's preachings, I can see that he has covered many issues/different areas. I would say he has done very well!

He has contributed by defending and preserving EOTC's teachings about "Ye Kidusan Amalajinet", "Ye Kirstos Ye Bahry Amlakinet / Negere Dihnet", and by reacting to attacks by Ahzab and Menafikan.

This is one way to serve our holy church.

What have you done so far for our holy church???

orthodoxawit said...

Dear Tad
MK is actually beyond the individuals you mentioned. They have the same privilege and obligations as any other member. MK has 7000 Executive members(Sera asfetsami abalate) alone .You can imagine how many members and sections it has so I don’t think the people mentioned have that much influence on the vision of MK they might have a role and input as they have been members from the start of the mahibere. Individuals you mentioned may seem a prominent role player because they are preachers which put them on the front line but MK has more services than preaching .The org-chart is well structured and has different fields of services some I have mentioned below.
1.Yetemeher kefel
2.Yseletena kefel
3.Ymzemur ena yesene tebebat kefel
4.Yhetemet zegejete masterbabari kefel
5.Ymuya agelgelot ena terado kefel
6.Yemereja ena mezegebet kefel
7.Yetenate ena eqede kefel
8.Yegegnunet kefel
9.Yehesabe kefel
10.Yelemate tqwamate asetedader

So do you think all this sections are influenced by these individual ? But I agree with you on one point individuals can be influenced by individuals.
So hostality is not welcomed

tad said...

Dear Orthodoxawi;
You said I am misinformed. Well the facts speaks for itself. Let me give an examples for some of the points you are trying to defend invain.
1. Sunday school with in sunday school: why MK organizes its members to have special lessons for its members alone, I have argued against this approach so many times and don't tell me that you have perfect metedaderia. Perfect rules doesn't make you perfect. What matters more is how you apply it.
2.Godere Clergies?. Why on earth you think most Godere clergies in America have negative attitude towards Mk while most of the Shoa clergies have favourable opinion about MK. Please confront your fears and shortcomings.
3."Audit". Give an evidence if you have one. If not get one. After 17yrs in this business you can't produce one?. The time is running.
4.I know and everybody knows that MK spent a lot of time and energy in dealing with pork meat and things surrounding these.Please be advised this is for positive change.I even remenber MK circulating and distributing an interview with the late Aleqa Ayalew telling that circumcision is amust for Ethiopians and the words dogma and canona doesn't belong to EOC.
God bless

Anonymous said...

To weleti
Thank you for the list of Dn. Daniel's preachings, I heard one by one they are true EOTC preachings. This is our church identity and teaching of methodology. As I understood kirstose is inside in this preachings. Dear Weleti EOTC teaching methodology are divivded into two:-
1. Spritual based on subject mater/timihirt/
2. Spritual based on sbiket/hiyiwetin ymilewute, Timihiritm yiwetin yilewutal/
These are on of the d/f b/n EOTC and any protestant.
So may sister please lisen carfully in positive thinking mind. Think +++++
Lebet krstian andnet tseliyu.
ke zuramba

Anonymous said...

TO DK
YOU STARTED TO LOOK LIKE AN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN BUT YOU ARE NOT.WHY NOT..."IF THE BUILDING OF CHURCHES FILLED WITH LIVES","hibret", " ye menfes kidus hibret kehulachu yihun" these are the markers of pente. you tekula any way thats hoW pente teach you.YOUR WORDS CAN TELL ME YOU ARE A PROTESTANT WHO TRIED TO HIDE.YOU SAID " IF THE BUILDING OF CHURCHES FILLED WITH LIVES AND THEY CAN'T BE SAVED" HOW SURE ARE YOU GONNA BE SAVED?RELGION IS NOT "AKAKULU". WHAT IS SAVED (MEDAN ) MEAN TO YOU. DO YOU THINK MEDAN IS LIKE THE PROTESTANT FASHION? A PASTOR SAID IN HIS OWN WORDS" I SAW WHEN PEOPLE DANCING IN THE NIGHT CLUB, I KNOW I CAN DANCE LIKE THEM TOO... LET ME SHOW YOU HOW I CAN DANCE (IN REALITY HE DANCED) ...FINALY HE SAID I DANCE THIS TO JISUS CHRIST THATS WHAT I CALL IT PROTESTANT FATION. SO DON'T HIDE YOUR SELF
YOU SAID YOU WERE ALSO IN THE UNIVERSITY AND KNOW WELL ABOUTE MK.THE ONLY THING YOU KNOW ABOUT MK IS HATEFULLNESS. I AGREED WITH THE FIRST WRITER WHO BEEN A UNIVERSITY STUDENT. MK IS WELL ORGANIZED AND SUCESSFULL IN PROTECTING THE ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS IN ALL UNIVERSTIES OF ETHIOPIA. THEY EXPOSE THE HIDEN PROTESTAN AGENDA TO THE PUBLIC. THEY DO TEACH ABOUT Jesus CHRIST DEEPER THAN THE PROTESTANT DO, BUT I THINK YOU WERE UNLUKY TO GET THE MYSTRY. YOU DO POSTED SOME QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE PEACE IN YOUR LIFE TOO?DO YOU THINK THE PROTESTANT WORLD OR THE WORLD GENERALY HAVE PEACE INSIDE OR THE WORLD BECOME MISERABLE BECAUSE OF MK. when the protestan world take the stage the world gettig wildr and wilder. YOU SAID MK TEACH ONLY ABOUT THE HOLLY FATHERS AND ABOUT MERRY .thats a full of lies. MK TEACH THE DOGMA AND HOW TO BE TRUE CHRISTIAN. BUT PROTESTANT WORLD IS TEACHING ONLY AOUBT HOW TO DEFAME THE NAME OF EOT AND MK BY THE NAME OF JESUS. NO MORE AKAKULU GAME WITH PENTE ANY MORE.

Orthodoxawi said...

Selam brother/sister tad:

I am responding again thinking that your comments are intended to strengthen MK.

"1. Sunday school with in sunday school: why MK organizes its members to have special lessons for its members alone, I have argued against this approach so many times and don't tell me that you have perfect metedaderia. Perfect rules doesn't make you perfect. What matters more is how you apply it."

-Hmmmm yes special trainings are provided when necessary so that members can understand and apply the way of working. MK members are either sunday school students or members of sebeka gubae who want to provide additional service. So it is necessary to train the members so that they can use their time, energy and money efficiently. This will not make it sunday school in a sunday school.

"2.Godere Clergies?. Why on earth you think most Godere clergies in America have negative attitude towards Mk while most of the Shoa clergies have favourable opinion about MK. Please confront your fears and shortcomings."

-I will stick to my previous comment about this issue. I am hearing it from you for the first time to be frank. It must be something that circulates around your circle of friends.

MK strongly discourages such categorizations, divisions, ....

"3."Audit". Give an evidence if you have one. If not get one. After 17yrs in this business you can't produce one?. The time is running."

-Dear bro/sis, are you expecting an association to release its audit report to the public who are not members? What for? No member complains about this issue unless he/she is not participating on general assemblies.

To your surprise, there is maximum transparency regarding money and MK's way of working. The audit report is not even simply an audit report for money, it also includes inspection.

Personally, I strongly believe that MK's way of doing audit and inspection can be adopted to other non-religious associations and civil service institutions.

"4.I know and everybody knows that MK spent a lot of time and energy in dealing with pork meat and things surrounding these.Please be advised this is for positive change."

-Ye Asama Siga (pork meat): our church has a stand about this issue. MK or any other association should follow that. No one has the right to change it by himself. So I don't think we should spend time on this issue.

-I can't say anything about the other issues in this fourth point. I will leave it for other readers who are familiar with these issues ...if there are any.

Finally, I want to mention one thing:
our church is a holy church, a true follower of her founder Jesus Christ. She wants all of us to be under her shadow. By now she is in a great problem as you know. So it is not an issue of a single Mahiber, sunday school, or any other association. We all need to contribute positively to the solution. Lets be part of the solution in whatever way we can.

Egziabher Amlak Betekrstiyanachinin ketifat hulu yitebkilin.

tad said...

Orthodoxawi:
I hope you don't represent Mk,brother.I know I have made you, and the like, uncomfortable by touching the very sensitive areas of MK'S weakness. You see I don't criticise hatefully or I don't generalize things blindly. I gave you specific things and you want to respond to me by generalizing it. I pointed out what I saw ,heard,perceived....about MK. Your approach is, dismissve and dictatorial.This is how some of the MK members used to behave, and if the majority is still in this mood, MK is far from being a leading change agent.
Thanks

Anonymous said...

The recent new from Addis is Woyane just received a complete list of all members and supporters of MK inside and outside the country.

No wonder the mass exodus of MK from Ethiopia is now in effect. Welcome to Kenya, where the Patriarch you stood so much against fled 18 years ago. 'Beseferut Kuna Yeseferalu'

God Save Ethiopia!

Adera yemilachihu said...

It is interesting on one side and very sad on the other side reading very petty,ridiculous and chilidish comments made about MK.

It sounds like there is deliberate and sponsored move just to tarnish the image of MK. My intention is not to defend MK though.

One can tell beyond reasonable doubt that there are anti-Orthodox Tewahedo faith among comment writers that are trying to use "weaknesses" of members of Mk as a cover up for their intended and subtle mission.

I am sure it raises every ones eyebrows that some are wilfully trying to derail the attention of the faithful from the burning issue our church is faced with.
But I cannot say in confidence that , may be,the perpetraters of the current problems in our church themselves are diverting people's attention towards judging MK.

Let's watch attentively and read carefully whatever is going around us.

This could be just the tip of the iceburg. Imagine what "they " might be doing behind the scenes.

May the Omnipotent and Omnipresent God reveal the truth and keep our church in unity.

Anonymous said...

wogenoche please leasen me from the deep of your heart and in the name of God the only objective of MK members is helping the EOTC by money Knowelge and the like,God him self created MK to serve his own church what ever any body is said it is the only reason for the presons of MK in this world.Wogenoche if you can join MK and participate as much as you can and you will be the participant of blessinings from the church if not say"ayizuchihu bertu egzi yatsnachu" but if you can't try to pry to God to show you all the truth.The only person objected the objective of MK is those wheo wants to live thier own life in the expence of the EOTC .Mk members dingle mariyam beagelglot tabertachihu

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