July 29, 2009

"ኘትርክናው ከሆነላችሁ መልካም" ግብጻውያን

ዳሳሽ (ዘፍኖተ አበው)
ግብጻውያን መንበረ ኘትርክናውን ሲሰጡን ከሆነላችሁ መልካም ብለው እንደነበር ይነገራል። ታዲያ ትንቢታቸው ሰርቶ ይሁን ወይም የእኛው ስንፍና መንበሩን ከተረከብን ⁄ራሳችንን ከቻልን⁄ አንስቶ ውጣ ውረድ አላጣንም። የመጀመሪያው ፖትርያርክ ብፁዕ አቡነ ባስልዮስ በብዙ ሕመም ተንገላተው አረፉ። ሁለተኛው ብፁዕ አቡነ ቴዎፍሎስ በደርግ ባለሥልጣናት ተይዘው በእስር ቤት ተገደሉ።

ሦስተኛው ፖትርያርክ ብፁዕ አቡነ ተክለሃይማኖት ከደርግ ጋር በነበረው አለመግባባት ሰውነታቸውን በፆም በጸሎት ቀጥተው ሃያ አራት ኪሎ እስኪደርሱ ከስተው ተጐድተው አረፉ። አራተኛው ፖትርያርክ ብፁዕ አቡነ መርቆሬዎስ የኢሠፖ አባል ሆነው በመገኘታቸው ከደርግ ውድቀት በኋላ ሕዝቡ ሰላማዊ ሰልፍ ወጥቶ የገዛ ባልንጀሮቻቸው ይበቃዎታል ብለዋቸው ከሥልጣን ወረዱ ⁄ጡረታ ወጡ⁄ ብዙም ሳይቆዩ በኬንያ ጠፍተው አሜሪካ ገቡና ኘትርክናው የኔ ነው ማን ነክቶኝ አሉ። ቤተክርስቲያኒቱን ለሁለት ከፍለው አዋረዱ። አምስተኛው ፖትርያርክ ⁄ብፁዕ አቡነ ጳውሎስ⁄ ሥልጣን ከያዙ ጀምሮ አንድ ጊዜ ከባህታውያን ሌላ ጊዜ ከሊቃውንት ሌላ ጊዜ ከሲኖዶስ አባላት እየተጣሉ ቤተክርስቲያኒቱን የሁከት አደባባይ አደረጓት። ይኸው አስራ ሰባት ዓመት ሙሉ በጉቦ፣ በዘረኝነት ሲያምሱን ከርመው በቃዎ ሲባሉም አብረን እንጠፋታለን እንጂ ማን ነክቶኝ አሉ።
ታዲያ ይህች ቤተክርስቲያን በራሷ ሲኖዶስ መመራቷ ተሳክቶላታል ትላላችሁ? ለነገሩ ጎጆ ከወጡ በኋላ የእናት ጓደ የለም። ግብጻውያንን በመከራ ተላቀን መልሰን ጓዳቸውን አንናፍቅም። ይኸ ካልሆነ ግን ምን ይሻለናል፤ ያዘኑብን ካለ ፈልገን ይቅርታ እንጠይቅ ይሆን? ወይም ግብጻውያኑ የፈጠሩብን የሕሊና ተጽዕኖ ካለ ያንን ለማስወገድ አንድ ጊዜ እንምከር? መልሱን ለእናንተው ትቼዋለሁ።

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

አቡነ መርቆሬዎስ የኢሰፓ ለመሆናቸው ምንም ማስረጃ የለም

ይህ ወደ አንድ ወገን ያጋደል ፍርደ ገምድልነት ነው ::

በርግጥ ነው በወቅቱ የነበረውን የደርግም መንግስት ደግፈው መስራታቸው የታወቀ ነው ::

ከዛ ባለፈ ግን : ከቤተ ክሕነት ትምሕርት ውጪ የኢሰፓም ይሁን ሌላ ሰፋ ያለ የርዕዮተ ዓለም አመለካከት አልነበራቸውም ::

በጎንደሩ አስተዳዳሪ ሻለቃ መላኩ ተፈራ አቅራቢነት ለፓትርያርክነት የታጩበት ምክንያት እኛ አይቃወሙንም በሚል ፈሊጥ መሆኑ ሃቅ ነው ::

የወረዱትም ወያኔ ከሳቸው ጋር አልሰራም በማለቱ ነው ::

ከዛ ባለፈ ማንም ምእመን በቃዎት ብሎ አፉን አልከፈተም ::

በዚያው በወያኔ አካባቢ ያሉ ካድሬዎችና ስልጣን ይፈልጉ በነበሩት ጥቂት ጳጳሳት ጥላቻ ብቻ ነው በግፍ እንዲወርዱ የተደረጉት ::

አሜሪካን አገር መጥተው ሲኖዶስ ማቋቋማቸው ምሕረት ከባድ ስህተት እንደሆነ እንስማማለን ::

ወደድንም ጠላንም እውነተኛው ፓትርያርክ አቡነ መርቆሬዎስ ናቸው ::

Anonymous said...

I agree anonymous

Anonymous said...

Dear Ewnetu and Deje Selam Please take the following comments:

Deje Selam, even though I don't have any relation with MK. The purpose of this site is not resolving the problem with Ewnetu and MK if there is any. So please don't allow this type of comments to be here. This is another issue.

Dear Ewnetu, I think may have dogmatic problem. If you don't have such problem you would have teach in the church even though u are dismissed from college.
Take for example Begashaw who is dismissed from Trinity College but he is still serving the church. He is passionate preacher. Even though I don't know u are member of the church still.

Just to say my brotherly comments Please don't do the one that u are doing currently. it is bad for u.

If u want to contact me please write me through christtewahedo@gmail.com

God Bless u all

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

እስኪ ከቅብጥ በትርያርኮች ስንቶቹ እንደኤልያስ የተነጠቁ ወይ እንደሙሴ መልአክ የቀበራቸው መኾናቸውን ንገረን/ሪን? ምን አታከተኽ/ሽ ወንድሜ/እቴ፦ በሢመት ይኹን በሀብት ወይ በጉልበት፤ በማናቸውም ነገር በትዕቢት የሚመላለስ ሰው--ኢትዮጵያዊ ይኹን ግብፃዊ--መጨረሻው "ሲያልቅ አያምር" ነው ወዳጀ! (ያማረ ቢመስልም እንኳ በላይኛው ቤት መጨረሻ በሌለው እሳት እንደሚጠበስ መጻሕፍቱ ያስረዱናል፤ አይደለም እነዴ?)

ይልቁን በንዲህ ያለ አተካራ ጊዜ እና ኀይል ባናጠፋ ምን ይመስላችኋል? Instead, be focused on the issue.

Wondu said...

Hi Dejeselam

I was with you up until your last comment,
From your last comment I found false info and hesitate to believe you more in the future

That is the way you explained regarding Abune Merkorious was wrong. That was because I know what happened, how Woyane specially Tamrat Layine worked hard to systematically remove HH and to set up politically agitiated HH. I am not advocating Synodos in forienger country but your info need to me straigthen. Don't post what you don't personally like but comment what should be true...

tad said...

I am surprised to see DJ imerse itself in to this contentious debate. "Abune Merkorious a member of EWP?" I am surprised not because of the rumors. But I am surprised because I was hoping we will be moving forward instead of backward. Please stop flogging the dead horse.If we are to follow DJ's logic that it was the right move to remove Abune Merkorious because of such and such,by the time weyane is gone,be it tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, we will be having third patriarch,all are alive. Regime change=patriarch change ligic must be stopped once and for all. Here we are trynig to correct the wrong history, not repeating it.Let's every body repent,including me, for our past sins aginst EOC.
In my earlier comments I have argued that the EOC MENEKOSAT weren't and aren't up to the job of bishophood,except the few like the late Abune Gorgorious,today is his 19th yrs memorial day since he was killed by car accident, may his blessings be up on us. After saying that,can we change the past? No.But we can create a room for improvement, and that is:
1. Demand and pressurize the holy synod to produce a binding "canon law" for bilateral co-operation b/n the Coptic and EOC,when things go out of hand, like the case of Abune Theofilos and Merkorious.
2.Campaign for " all rounded reconciliation b/n bishops both in exile and Ethiopia.
3.Pressurize each and every bishop in Ethiopia to produce a sweeping resolution banning the patriarch and co. from holding absolute power.
4.Pressurize and isolate bishops who are self serving and ill advised, like Abba gabrael,estifanos,gorgorious,yitsak...,to work for the good of EOC.
5.Contact and organise the sunday schools and parish councils in Ethiopia to watch things around them attentively.
6.Demand the diaspora churches to show solidarity with the broader EOC.
7.Demand the holy synod to hold themselves accountable and limit their personal assets.
to be continued

ደጀ-ሰላም መዝሙር said...
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ደጀ-ሰላም said...

Dear Tad,
Greetings to you. This article by no means shows Deje Selam's stand. When it reflects our wish, we nail it straight.

Cher Were Yaseman,
DS

tad said...

Thanks dj. I am relivied you are not in to this.

Anonymous said...

DS should validate the nature of some writings like this one which is ridiculous! What is your problem both the writer and DS with Abune Merkorios just leave him alone? And focus on the trouble makers in Ethiopia. DS should be careful what is posted on this blog. That threatens the credibility of this blog. You want to keep your readers alive? Be very careful next time in hosting comments or suggestions. Don’t multiply your enemies. Those of you who contribute ideas or comments think twice before you attempt to write ridiculous stuffs.

qedamawi said...

ደጀ ሰላም ከምታቀርብልን የመወያያ አርስት እየወጡ በተለያዩ አርስቶች ግርጌ እነ እውነቱ እና መሰሎቹ የማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን ሥም እያነሱት ነው። ለመሆኑ ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን የሚጠሉ ሰዎች እነ ማን ናቸው? በአጠቃላይ ማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን የሚጠሉ ሰዎች በሦሥት ከፍለን እንያቸው፦
፩. በዓላማ እንዲጠፋ የሚፈልጉ ናቸው
• አክራሪው የእስልምና ቡድን
• የቤተክርስቲያን የውስጥ መናፍቃን(ተሃድሶ)
• መናፍቃን(“ጴንጤ”)
እነዚህ ከላይ የጠቀስኳቸው ቡድኖች የማኅበሩን አገግሎት በደንብ ጠንቅቀው ያውቁታል፤ እንዲሁም ዓላማውም በሚገባ ተረድተውታል። አክራሪው እስላም በቤተክርስቲያን ላይ በተለያዩ ጊዜያት የሚያደርሱት ጥፋት እየተከታተለ መረጃ እየሰበሰበ እኩይ ተግባራቸውን እያጋለጣቸው ስለሆነ የማኅበሩን መኖር የእግር እሳታቸው ነው። ወደፊትም ላቀዱት ጥፋት ይከታተለናል ብለው ስለደመደሙ ማኅበሩ እንዲጠፋ ደፋ ቀና እያሉ ነው።ይህ ማኅበር ኢትዮጵያን የማስለም ዓላማ ተግባራዊ ለማድረግ እንቅፋት ሆኖብናል ብለው በግልፅ በተለያዩ የእስልምና ፓል ቶክ ውይይት እየሰማናቸው ነው።
ሌሎቹ ሁለቱም መናፍቃን የውስጡም የውጩም ግብራቸውና ዓላማቸው ማኅበሩ በሚገባ አውቆት አጥብቆ ስለሚቃወማቸው እነሱም ይሄንን ስለተረዱት የተለያዩ አጋጣሚዎች በመጠቀም ስሙን ሲያነሱት እናያቸዋለን፤ እዚህ ላይ እውነቱን(ውሸቱን) ልብ በሉልኝ። እነዚህ ከላይ የተጠቀሱት ሁለቱም መናፍቃን የተዋህዶ እምነትን የማጥፋት ዘመቻቸው ማህበሩ እስካለ ድረስ ማስፈጸም አንችልም ብለው ስለወሰኑ በማንኛውም መንገድ እንዲሁም ከአክራሪው እስላሙ ጋር ተባብረውም ቢሆን ሊያጠፉት ይፈልጋሉ።
፪. የቢተክህነቱ ወሮበሮች(ማፍያ/ጨለማን የወደዱ) አካላት
እነዚህኞቹ ደግሞ በጊዜአዊ ጥቅምና ሥልጣን የሰከሩ ናችው። አቶ ንጉሴም ከነዚህኞቹ ቡድን ጋር መድቤዋለሁ። ማኅበሩን የሚጠሉበት ዓላማቸው ማኅበሩ በያዘው የቅዱስ ሲኖዶስ ልዕልና ይከበር የሚለው ጥብቅ አቋሙ ነው። ይኸው እነዚህ ሆዳቸው አምላክ የሆነባቸው ወገኖች ማኅበሩን ቢችሉ ለማፍረስ ነበረ፤ ነገር ግን ስላልቻሉ የማኅበሩን ስም የማጥፋት ዘመቻ ተቀጣሪው ጀሌያቸው አቶ ንጉሴ ጀምሮታል።
፪. የማኅበሩን አገልግሎትና ዓላማ ያልተረዱ ወገኖች
እነዚህ ወገኖች ማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን በሥም ብቻ ያውቁታል። የማኅበሩ ሥም እንኳ የሰሙት ከተሃድሶ መናፍቅ፤ ከአቶ ንጉሴ ወይ ደግሞ ከአክራሪው እስላም ነው። እናም አንድ ጊዜ የሰሙት ወሬ ብቻ ይዘው ማኅበሩን ይጠሉታል። እንደው ማኅበረ ቅዱዳን ማን ነው፤ ዓላማው ምንድ ነው፤በቤተክርስቲያኒቱስ የትኛው መዋቅር ሥር ነው ያለው፤ ብሎ ለመጠየቅ ጆሮዋቸው የዘጉ ባይጠፉም፤ ለመጠየቅ ተዘጋጅተው አጋጣሚው ያላገኙ ወገኖች እንዳሉም እገምታለሁ።
እግዚአብሔር ተዋህዶ ሃይማኖታችን ይጠብቅልን!!! አሜን።

qedamawi said...

ደጀ ሰላም ከምታቀርብልን የመወያያ አርስት እየወጡ በተለያዩ አርስቶች ግርጌ እነ እውነቱ እና መሰሎቹ የማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን ሥም እያነሱት ነው። ለመሆኑ ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን የሚጠሉ ሰዎች እነ ማን ናቸው? በአጠቃላይ ማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን የሚጠሉ ሰዎች በሦሥት ከፍለን እንያቸው፦
፩. በዓላማ እንዲጠፋ የሚፈልጉ ናቸው
• አክራሪው የእስልምና ቡድን
• የቤተክርስቲያን የውስጥ መናፍቃን(ተሃድሶ)
• መናፍቃን(“ጴንጤ”)
እነዚህ ከላይ የጠቀስኳቸው ቡድኖች የማኅበሩን አገግሎት በደንብ ጠንቅቀው ያውቁታል፤ እንዲሁም ዓላማውም በሚገባ ተረድተውታል። አክራሪው እስላም በቤተክርስቲያን ላይ በተለያዩ ጊዜያት የሚያደርሱት ጥፋት እየተከታተለ መረጃ እየሰበሰበ እኩይ ተግባራቸውን እያጋለጣቸው ስለሆነ የማኅበሩን መኖር የእግር እሳታቸው ነው። ወደፊትም ላቀዱት ጥፋት ይከታተለናል ብለው ስለደመደሙ ማኅበሩ እንዲጠፋ ደፋ ቀና እያሉ ነው።ይህ ማኅበር ኢትዮጵያን የማስለም ዓላማ ተግባራዊ ለማድረግ እንቅፋት ሆኖብናል ብለው በግልፅ በተለያዩ የእስልምና ፓል ቶክ ውይይት እየሰማናቸው ነው።
ሌሎቹ ሁለቱም መናፍቃን የውስጡም የውጩም ግብራቸውና ዓላማቸው ማኅበሩ በሚገባ አውቆት አጥብቆ ስለሚቃወማቸው እነሱም ይሄንን ስለተረዱት የተለያዩ አጋጣሚዎች በመጠቀም ስሙን ሲያነሱት እናያቸዋለን፤ እዚህ ላይ እውነቱን(ውሸቱን) ልብ በሉልኝ። እነዚህ ከላይ የተጠቀሱት ሁለቱም መናፍቃን የተዋህዶ እምነትን የማጥፋት ዘመቻቸው ማህበሩ እስካለ ድረስ ማስፈጸም አንችልም ብለው ስለወሰኑ በማንኛውም መንገድ እንዲሁም ከአክራሪው እስላሙ ጋር ተባብረውም ቢሆን ሊያጠፉት ይፈልጋሉ።
፪. የቢተክህነቱ ወሮበሮች(ማፍያ/ጨለማን የወደዱ) አካላት
እነዚህኞቹ ደግሞ በጊዜአዊ ጥቅምና ሥልጣን የሰከሩ ናችው። አቶ ንጉሴም ከነዚህኞቹ ቡድን ጋር መድቤዋለሁ። ማኅበሩን የሚጠሉበት ዓላማቸው ማኅበሩ በያዘው የቅዱስ ሲኖዶስ ልዕልና ይከበር የሚለው ጥብቅ አቋሙ ነው። ይኸው እነዚህ ሆዳቸው አምላክ የሆነባቸው ወገኖች ማኅበሩን ቢችሉ ለማፍረስ ነበረ፤ ነገር ግን ስላልቻሉ የማኅበሩን ስም የማጥፋት ዘመቻ ተቀጣሪው ጀሌያቸው አቶ ንጉሴ ጀምሮታል።
፪. የማኅበሩን አገልግሎትና ዓላማ ያልተረዱ ወገኖች
እነዚህ ወገኖች ማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን በሥም ብቻ ያውቁታል። የማኅበሩ ሥም እንኳ የሰሙት ከተሃድሶ መናፍቅ፤ ከአቶ ንጉሴ ወይ ደግሞ ከአክራሪው እስላም ነው። እናም አንድ ጊዜ የሰሙት ወሬ ብቻ ይዘው ማኅበሩን ይጠሉታል። እንደው ማኅበረ ቅዱዳን ማን ነው፤ ዓላማው ምንድ ነው፤በቤተክርስቲያኒቱስ የትኛው መዋቅር ሥር ነው ያለው፤ ብሎ ለመጠየቅ ጆሮዋቸው የዘጉ ባይጠፉም፤ ለመጠየቅ ተዘጋጅተው አጋጣሚው ያላገኙ ወገኖች እንዳሉም እገምታለሁ።
እግዚአብሔር ተዋህዶ ሃይማኖታችን ይጠብቅልን!!! አሜን።

tesfa said...

ለምን ስለ ማህበረ ቅዱሳን አንወያይም አቡነ ቴዎፍሎስን ያስገደሉ ሰዎች ዛሬ የማህበረ ቅዱሳን አማካሪ ሆነው እየሰሩ እያለ የሞት ፍርድ በተፈረደባቸው የደርግ ባለስልጣናት ላይ ትጽፋላችሁ
ለምን የአቡነ ቴዎሎስ ገዳዮች ማህበረ ቅዱሳን ውስጥ ባማካሪነት ተደበቁ ? እኛ በመጽሐፍ ከማውጣታችን በፊት ለምን እነሱን ለንስሐ አትጠራቸውም ? ዛሬ መንበረ ፕትርክናውን ሰላም ያሳጣው ያቡነ ጳውሎስ ወይም ያቡነ መርቆርዮስ ከምንግሥት ጋር መሥራት አይደለም ከመንግሥት ጋር በሥራት ከሆነ እማ ሳይሾሙ ጳጳስ ነኝ፤ ሚካእል ሾሞኛል በማለት ይባስ ብለው ጵጵስናው አልበቃ ሲላቸው ሃያ አምስተኛ ኪሩብ ሆኛለሁ ያታለሉት ተክልዬ ካክስታቸው ልጅ ከይኮኖ አምላክ ጋር ተመሳጥረው መንግሥተ ላስታን ገልብጥው አይደል?
ይልቁንስ መንበረ ፕትርክናውን እያወከው ያለው መንበረ ተክለ ሃይማኖት የኛ ነው የሚለው የመሃል አገር ደብተራ የውስጥ ለውስጥ ጉስጎሳ ነው ።
እናም የመሀል አገር ደብተራዎች በማህበረ ቅዱሳን ውስጥ ተደብቀው የሚያደርጉትን የውስጥ ጦርነት ካላቆሙ ሰላም አይኖርም አባ ፈቃደ ሥላሴን ለሞት የዳረጋቸው የነዚህ ደብተራዎች ቅሥቀሣ ነው ማህበረ ቅዱሳን ከዚህ የተክለ ሃይማኖት መንበር ጥያቄውን ካላቆመ ሰላም ይኖራል ብለን አናምንም ወ ደ ግብጽም አንሄድም ፤ ሥልጣን ፈላጊዎችንም አንወድም ።

Anonymous said...

Dear anonymous THE LAST
Are you trying to tell as Abun merkorewos innocent?
Geve me break. Do you think he is livening DEBERE LEBANOS GEDAME ? He lived in AMERICA AMIRICA!!!!!!!!
You remained me ABUNE TEWOFLOS BEREKETCHEW YEDEREBENA you think he doesn’t know America or keny .
Ene Aba habte gude Adereguwachew .They always scared him to leave Ethiopia .He went Kenya and then DEBER SELAME KEDEST MAREAYAM CHURCHE SPONSORSHIP AND ABA HABTE AND HIS FOLLOWER'S, Took HIM (LIKE PUPATE) .ABUNE MERKORIOSE HAS TO BE ASKS FORGIVE EOT MEMENANEN. Any way kelKelo selecha , seLecha kelkelo.They are the same face. specially Aba
Habet lenseha yabekachew.LEAVE him ALON ,He is strangling how to live with aba habet and Lulekal,pastier melaku.Let's talk abut our church problem ,don't take personal we are not spouse to defined them because they are not remodel patrarice .
God bless you all

Anonymous said...

I am totally shocked of the audacity of the blogger, who provide totally fabricated narrative about Abuna Merkorios. I had personal knowledge of the people involved with the Woyane cadres who masterminded his removal 18 years ago and his subsequent exile to Kenya. By the grace of God he survived it all including the price of the assassins and live to see the very people who conspired against him are now butchering each other.

I recently came to the US and was profoundly touched by his Holiness devotion to prayer and fasting. Unlike my expectation, I found him to be extraordinarily humble man who has accepted the fate God had for him even in the world where he never knew existed. Abuna Merkorios lives a renewed life in witnessing the phenomenal spiritual growth of the Ethiopian people all over the world inside the Tewahedo church; I do not believe this is just an accident but the work of God.

I also heard that old tired argument and why he left the flock instead should have chosen martyrdom. The problem with this point is Woyane's issue with him was about the patriarchal power not about theological heresy. If he had died there it would have been for the same throne which today Aba Paulos is defending by all means necessary. Is that what you wanted Aba merkorios should have done then? I do not think so. Please leave this man alone as he go on with his simple existence especially at a time of his persecutors who rule with impunity are pillaging our beloved church. To the contrary, we may be paying for the trespass we allowed against him, Aleka Ayalew and may others then and now that we anguish presently.
Gasha

Anonymous said...

Thank you qedamawi,

it's true... easpecially the third group should open their eye and try to figure out what is going on in our church. Good job- keep it up!

Anonymous said...

ማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን ባለበት ሁኔታ ስናየው ለዛሬዋ ቤተ ክርስቲያን በተለይ ለአዲሱና ለተማረው የቤተ ክርስቲያኗ ተከታይ ወጣት አስፈላጊነቱ እጅግ የሚበረታታ ነው ::

በየአመቱ በመንግስት ተቋማት እያስተማረ የሚያስመርቃቸውና በስራ ሲመደቡም እየተከታተለ አገልግሎት እንዲሰጡ የሚያደርጋቸው ወጣት ምሁራንን ስናይ ይበል የሚያሰኛ ሊበረታታ የሚገባው በጎ ተግባር ነው ::

ይሁን እንጅ : ከሚሰራ ሰው ስህተት አይጠፋምና : አንዳንድ ስህተቶች አይኖሩም አንልም ::መስተካከል ቢችል ከሚባሉት መካከልም ጥቂቶቹ ::

. በቂ የቤተ ክርስቲያን ትምሕርት የሌላቸው አባሎቹን ዲያቆንና ቄስ እያደረገ : የቤተ ክርስቲያን የአገልግሎት ቦታዎችን በቂ ችሎታ በሌላቸው የማኅበሩ አባላት ለመሙላት የሚያደርጉት አካሄድ ::

. አንዳንድ ጳጳሳትና የቤተ ክህነት ዋና ባለስልጣን ነን የሚሉ ግለሰቦች : በአማካሪነት ስም ማኅበሩ በእጅ አዙር የሚጠለፍበት ሁኔታ እንዳይኖር መጠንቀቁ አለመቻል ::

. ማኅበሩ እንዲሁ በተገኘው ክፍተት ገብቶ ለቤተ ክርስቲያኗ ብዙ ጠቃሚ ስራዎችን እየሰራ ቢሆንም : ዘላቂ የሆነ የራሱ አላማና ራዕይ እንዲኖረው ቢደረግ :: በየጊዜው የሚነሱ ችግሮችን የማስታገስ አይነት የእሳት አደጋ ስራ ከመስራት አልፎ ዘላቂ ሚና እንዲኖረው ቢደረግ ::

ለማንኛውም : እንደ ኢትዮጵያ ኦርቶዶክስ ተዋሕዶ ቤተ ክርስቲያን ተከታይ ሆነን ስናየው

ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን መተኪያ የሌለው : የቤተ ክርስቲያን የቁርጥ ቀን ልጆችን አቅፎ የያዘ ብርቅዬ መንፈሳዊ ስብስብ ነው ::

Anonymous said...

You Mahiber Kidusan if u can please take the comments that are given from some people and see if u have some problems. As a person who know mission and vision of MK I am 99% confident that MK is key for solving church problems specially administration wise. This is the great mission of MK and hope will achieve it with help of God.

But there are some points which non-MK people complain about MK, it include:
- They are more cultural than theological
- They consider themselves to be best solution for church

But I believe that totally MK accepts what is declared by synod. So MK is strict both on churches dogma and cannon based the current cannon of the church.

Say for example: The churches cannon doesn't accept using musical instruments like piono for church songs. So as an association in the church, its stand should be not to use such things in the church. But if the synod allows using such instrument, MK will not oppose.

It is to give highlight about an association's role in the church.

God bless all assocaitons in the church. Jesus is Lord, God and Savior of the World.

Anonymous said...

My friends why not we try for reconciliation of the two synods. This should be though and tried by us instead of fighting each other. I looking that if we are on place of the bishops,we may also create such problems. So let us leave every thing and work for reconsillation of the two synods that will work all over the world to spread Gospel to all the people in the world.

It is ok to have different views on a topic but we should argue for best that helps our church. Don't be "Chira Sentaki".

Think of such visionary things for the church !

Anonymous said...

selam lehulachin!
Aba Merqorios:-
1 Abun Endrias Melaku Teferan bemqawomachew yequm esragna hunew addiss ababa silaku shaleqa melaku aba merqoriosn kejijiga asmetachew. ersachewm abun Endrias yalagibab endetaseru eyawqu botachewn yizew teqemetu melaku yegondern hizib sigedil end Abun Endrias teqawumo sayasemu qeru.
2 Yederg yeshengo abal hunew keparlama eyewalu yedergin tsere orthodox aquam alteqawomum. ende papasinetachew lewokelechachew betekrstian tebeqa mehon neberebachew./ASHANGULITE/
3 Aba habtemariam yekihidet metsehaf sitsefu ye liqawunt gubae yasemawn teqawumo bemafen lemenafiqu tebeqa qumewal./MENAFIQ/
4 Aba habtie pepesina endayishom besinodos tagedew neber Aba merqoriose patriarc sihonu gin hig telalfew behager lijinet shomuachew./ZEREGNA/
5 Woyane simeta " ewunetegna eregna nefisun sile begochu asalfo yisetal" yamilewn qal telelfew "hasetegna eregna leba simeta bemeskot wetito yitefal" yemilewn fetsimewal ye Abune Tewoflosn tsiwa kemetetat yilk ende DEMAS wode TESLONQIE mehed mertewal./MINDEGNA/
6 ke Ethiopia woyanen fertew wotu binl enkua America manen fertew new ketehdso gar hunew betkristianachewn yemiademu? ye Ethiopia betekrstian patriarc negn kalu lemndin new tehadso yehonutn awgzew yemayleyu? ersachewm end ABA PAWLOS zeregna ena yesiltan tim silalebachew new. America tekemitew yemitebiqutm lerasachew yarerebachewun poletikegnoch be remot control tewgtew woyanen kesiltan eskemiabarirulachew new.
Egziabher selamun yisten!!!!!!
Aebeb negn

Anonymous said...

Berhanawit nafeqechign! errrrrr

Anonymous said...

Online petition for the online community. A smart idea at http://azekiri21.blogspot.com/ Let us move on please.

tad said...

There are a lot comments I find unfounded and and even unorthodox. Focus defending EOC,not individuals or groups. Can MK or the exiled bishops repent for their mistakes in the past. Now it is time to repent and look forward to change the course.
Thanks.

Anonymous said...

[Here is a comment I posted on "Azekiri's" blogger. I guess it is worth posting it here too.]


"Come on men...now is the time to stand together for the 'emancipation' of our emancipated church. "

Yes, the condition for the possibility of defining our problems, of coming up with alternative solutions, of applying them effectively, etcetera, is that we should STAND TOGETHER, that there should be an UNDIVIDED "WE"! Hence my plea to all sons and daughters of Tewahedo:

ርግፍ፣ ርግፍግፍ፣ ርግፍግፍግፍግፍ አድርገን እንተወው።
ትውት፣ትውትውት፣ትውትውትውትውት እናድርገው።

እባካችን ስለ-ሥላሴ፣ በማርያም፣ በሚካኤል፣ በገብርኤል፣ በጊዮርጊስ፣ በተክልየ፣ በወለተ-ጴጥሮስ… በቅዱስ ያሬድ፣ ባባ ጊዮርጊስ… በየምንወደው ቅዱስ/ቅድስት (ወይስ የምንወደው ቅዱስ የለንም እንዴ? ጉድ እኮ ነው እናንተው።ኹሉንም እናውቃቸዋለን የምንወዳቸውም ባንድ መልክ ነው የምትሉም፤ መልካም፦ በቅዱሳን ኹሉ ይዣችዃለኹ)፣ በየወላጆቻችን ሳይቀር (በቀለምም በሥጋም በወለዱን)… በሰማይ በላዕሉ ወበምድር በታሕታ…። እባካችን ርግፍ አድርገን እንተወው።

“ምኑን?” ካላችኹ፦

እኔ ያባ ጳውሎስ ነኝ፣ እኔ ያባ መርቆርዮስ ነኝ፣ እኔ ያባ ዲዮስቆሮስ ነኝ፤ ሲነሽጠንም፦ የለም እኔ ያባ ሸኖዳ ነኝ ማለቱን! እባካችን ይኸን እንተው።

በሌላ መልኩም፦

እኔ አክራሪ ታማኝ የማላወላውል... ነኝ፣ እኔ የገባኝ የተገለጠልኝ የበራልኝ የታደስኩ ነኝ… ማለቱን እንተወው።

እንደገናም፦

እኔ ጳጳስ ነኝ፣ እኔ ካህን ነኝ፣ እኔ ጨዋ ነኝ፣ እኔ መነኩሴ ነኝ፣ማለቱን ሳይቀር እንተው።

እኔ ጎንደሬ እኔ ትግሬ፣ እኔ ወሎየ እኔ ወለጎየ... ማለቱንም እንተው


ጎበዝ፦ “እየየ ሲደላ ነው” ይባል የለም እንዴ? ዛሬ የሚሰማውን፣ የሚታየውን ጉድ የጉድ ጉድ ለማራቅ እንድንችል እንዲህ ያለውን ክፍፍል እንተወው። አያዋጣንምና። ይልቁንስ ጊዜው ሳይመሽ እናብር፤ እንደድር!
(“አልሰሜን ግባ በሉት” አሉ፤ “አልመሸም እንዴ?” ትሉኝ እንደኾነ፦ ምናልባት ጥቂት ደቂቃ ይቀር እንደሁ ብየ ነው፤ እንደ ቅጽበተ-ዓይነ-ፈያታይ ዘየማን ያለች!)

P.S.: እባካችን እባካችን፦ እንወያይ እንጂ አንጨቃጨቅ! ውይይቱም በዐይነተኛው ጉዳይ ላይ ይኹን።

Anonymous said...

አነ ዘክርስቶስ!!!
አነ ዘተዋሕዶ!!!

Anonymous said...

ዓዲ ዘኢትዮጵያ አነ

ደጀ-ሰላም said...

Anonymous by the name Gasha,
Selam.
CORRECTION!!!!!!!
ThIS article is NOT presented by DS.

Chere Were Yaseman

Anonymous said...

enie sil abe merqoris yetsafhu andand sewoch sihtetachewn sishefnulachew silayehu new. sile aba PAWLOS yaltsafhu yesachewn sira hulum yawqewal bemalt new enji adilichie endalhon egziabher yawqal.bebetekrstanachin ke ahun befitm hone ke ahun behual ersachewn yemiahl aremnie ena chekagn patriarc ayimetam.ayehonm enji, diablos enkua besachw bota biqemet endesachew ZEREGN LEBA ENA NEFISEGEDAY CHEKAGN ayehonm. le enie tifatachew ekul bayhonm PAWLOSM MERQORIOSM ahun lalew yebetekrstian mekera hultum be egziabher ena betarik yewoqsalu. PAWLOS kebaletebenja gar huno betekrstianen siadem MERQORIOS degmo ketehadso gar huno betekrstianen yiwogal. huletum yetifat lijoch nachew.
ke ahun behuala gin begleseb woym bebudin lay yanetater asteyayet eyesetehu yenanten wuyiyit aldeneqfm lalefew gin be azagnitu sim yeqrta adrigulign.
Abebe negn .

Anonymous said...

I don't believe this article is grounded by facts. Those who share the posted idea try to be skeptical and look the other side of the page. Don't rush for conclusion either MK or anybody is not the standard. I hope we all can be governed by truth; because our Lord, Jesus Christ is truth. For any comment, Always don’t rush! At least find out what the opinions and facts of the other side. They might have very good reasons. Believe me you will be surprised by your findings. Don’t rush for ware (talk) rush for facts and evidence.

tad said...

Abebe, I forgive you. Thanks for your honesty and forthcoming.
May God forgive you.

Anonymous said...

DEAR ABEBE
I am agree with your idea .the division of EOC ,first of all they don’t have any reason to defined themselves because God gave to chances to confection time which is eight month during that parade of time Aba merekoreyos and tehadesoes ignored and plan a new strategy . Ethiopian people or EOC left them to Suffered whit weyane .after that they called themselves holy synodos .That was a good chances for atehadesos ( menafek).whoever is monk , Gondera and menafeke that was qualification to be PAPAS so they are not our representatives as EOC even as MEMEN. OUR GENERATION HAVE NOT FORGEVE AND FORGAT THEM ANATHER ABA POLOS BOTH OF THEM ARE KADERE OR BANDA.GOD IS GOD, HE WILL FORGIVE THEM BUT HOSTORY IS NOT FORGATE .
GOD BLESS ETHIOPIA.

YeAwarew said...

Selam all:
I understand more and more everyday why one Church scholar said “I think we Ethiopians are born to argue and argue till we die”.

Most EOTC members know 'How and why'Abune Merqorios resigned the Patriarchy and left the country, and how HH Abune Paulos rose to the office”. Even Abune Merqorios himself has told many (in different Churches) here in America how and why he resigned. We know who was and is pushing him to the position he is in right now. If we consider ourselves true EOTC members, do we follow the Synods decisions and unite under “The One (Ahati) Church” or do we fabricate flimsy excuses to stay divided? Well, your choice!

The Christian Church(EOTC) has been thru countless obstacles, but is always standing tall and will be till the end no matter what and who is against. Remember Church fathers and members all over rise and fall, but the Church stays His (Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ).
So, what do you say we work on this unity; unity with God and His “Qidusan”, True Fathers (leaders) and true Members? Can we afford to waste more time arguing?

May the Almighty God protect His Church and the True fathers,
God bless,

YeAwarew

Anonymous said...

Tiyaqie le YeAwarew...
1 Abune Tewoflos tasrew sal shaleka simie yetebale ye esir betu yezebegnoch aleqa esregnochin eyetera seyasferm abun Tewoflosn beqedmo simachew aba Melektu blew endifermu behail siyasgedidachew ersachew gin yemtfelgewn ermija wused enji aba Melektu biye alfermim.aba melektu papas kemehonie befit yemiterabet simie new ahun yamiterabet abun Tewoflos new bemaletle abun tewoflos bilew feremulet feremulet.
tadia aba Merqorios yewoyane dehninetoch yiwtu bilew siyasgediduachew yefelegachihutn ermija wusedu enji alwotam bemalet lemin yemikefelewn meswa etnet alikefelum? ke minkusna eske pitrikina laderesechachew betekrstian be Egziabher fit min bilew neber mehala yefetsemu? YeAwarew- Aba Merqorios, abatachin silachew yeneberewn hizb letekula setitew yesheshu shumetachew kederg enji ke Egziabher endalneberech afachew baynagerewum libachew silemiawuqew new.
2 mechem siga yelebese sew mekera silemifera new /ende petros/ yesheshu binl enikua America tekemitew lemindin new ketehadso gar hunew betekrstianachewn yemiwogu? lemindin new sirate betekirstian sifales zim yemilu? ye Ethiopia betekrstian "patriarc" enie negn yilalu leyetignaytu new? letewahedo betekrstian endayilu ersachew yemiageleglu YETEHADSON new. YeAwarew, Tadia aba Merqorios yihin hulu tifat bebetekrstianachew lay yemiftsimu woyane asferartuachew new? befitsum AYIDELEM!!! Yihin hulu tifat yemifetsimu:-
1 Ende aba Pawulos bayhonum dirom bihon aba Merqorios ye ZEREGNINET abzie alebachew.ya abazie new zarem besew hager teketilo yizo be kifle hager tederajitew betekrstianin endiwogu yaderegachew.
2 zarem bihon YESILTAN TIMAT alebachew alebachew. temelisew botachewn lemeyaz kalachew gugut yetenesa kebizu yepoletica dirjitoch gar ginignunet alachew. bepoletica tig/shifan/ yemimeta siltan mechereshaw min endemihon zarem kalefew altemarum.
enie ahunim bihon aba Pawlosinm aba Merqoriosinm egziabher lensha endiabeqachew emegnalehu.
Dear TAD silegileseb alitsifim biye yikrita teyiqie neber ahunm tatibo chiqa honhu. ebakachihu eniem hulie yesew hatiat bemenager/bemefired/ amlaken endalasqeyimew tseliyulign.
Abebe negn

YeAwarew said...

Selam all:

Dear Abebe: I think you didn’t even get what I am trying to convey.
Let me state where I stand and sit: I believe in the “One=“Ahati”Qidist Betekristian” founded on the precious (Kibur) blood of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ and passed down to us, as it is stated in “Tselote haimanot”(Apostles’ Creed). That includes accepting the decisions passed down by the EOTC Synod (where we have the true Fathers, even though we question the integrity of some, that is inevitable as is human nature).I don’t accept any other synod that claims to be “legal” or what not.
I (try to) give respect to the see (Menber) of the Church leaders even though the person(Kahn) is not that deserving (namely –HH Abune Pawlos and some Bitsu’an Abatoch). If we don’t, we will never be united and the result is “anarchy”, division that we see all over. So, the proverbial question is – Can we afford to waste more time arguing?

And one thing: I laud you on your willingness to change and repent, Stay true!

Yiqoyen, May God protect His Church and the true Fathers, Amen!

YeAwarew

Gartew said...

Beniam,
What are you doing? How sure are you that the guy who just spoken with is Aba Enqubahiri? Do you expect us to believe you with that? If really he was the one, I don’t think he stops with that few words without full of false accusation of the media outlets. Are u in love with money or the almighty God? If you are trying to distort the truth just for the sake of money, I think you are not yourself. Just stop for a while and think what you are doing? Just forget the entire world that you are trying to convince, but just have a little fear of the almighty God who can see deep down your heart let along such very big crime. I’m sure you know that Money may give you temporary happiness or comfort (of course with uncomfortable hassle), however, the truth will come one day and that may kill you morally and emotionally. Are you saying the hoses of the holy fathers had not been broken or even some of them had not been kidnapped? I did not get your situation? Don’t you believe those responsible should be brought to justice? Come on, you’re in Canada, you can get well enough to feed yourself and your family? Why do you sell yourself and your moral like this, just for money? I’m not saying you are just like Yihuda, who sold his lord with 30 birr. I think you have not only sold the truth but also yourself for the sake of money, in which you do not have any idea that whether you’ll be alive to utilize all the money you may received? As everybody believes, you may be aware that our daily life is not on our hand, it is on the hands of the almighty God, and we do not know when we will be called. Just return back to yourself before it gets to the dusk sector.

I cc this e-mail to Deje-Selam (Deje-Tefat according to your labeling) since you quote it in your articles.

Gartew

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