July 24, 2009

ጉዞ ወደ እስክንድርያ በድጋሚ? እንዴት ተደርጎ!!!

(ደጀ ሰላም፣ ጁላይ 23/2009)
የተወደዳችሁ ደጀ ሰለማውያንና ደጀ ሰላማውያት፣
አንድ ጦማሪ ወዳጃችን ‹‹ማርቆስ አባታችን እስክንድርያ እናታችን›› ብለን ወደ ቀደመው ድንኳን እንሂድ? ብለው መጣጥፍ ማቅረባቸው ይታወሳል። በዚሁ መነሻነት ሁልጊዜ “ጦማሪያችን” ብርሃናዊት በበኩሏ የሚከተለውን ጽሑፍ ልካልናለች። ሁለቱም ጸሐፍት የሚያነሷቸው ሐሳቦች የግላቸው እንጂ “ደጀ ሰላም ተቀብላ ያጸደቀችው” እንዳልሆነ በማስታወስ ወደ ምንባቡ እንጋብዛችሁዋለን።
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ጉዞ ወደ እስክንድርያ በድጋሚ? እንዴት ተደርጎ!!!
(ከብርሃናዊት )

እስክንድርያ፡ ከአትናቴዎስ ማረፍ በሁዋላ፡ እናታችን ሆና አታውቅም፡፡ እውነተኛ እናትነትዋ፡ በደጋጎቹ በነቄርሎስ፥ በነዲዮስቆሮስ ጊዜ አብቅቶዋል፡፡ ከአትናቴዎስ ስደት በሁዋላ መተካት የጀመሩት የእስክንድርያ ጳጳሳት ሁሉ ኢትዮጵያንና ቤተክርስቲያኑዋን በሁለት ቢላዋ ሲበሉዋት ነው የኖሩት፡፡ ቀድሞ፡-

• የኢትዮጵያውያንን ቅድመ-ታሪክ የያዙ መሕፍት ሁሉ ከምድረ ኢትዮጵያ ጠፍተው፡ በምትኩ ዐረብኛና የግብውያንን ገድል የሚተርክ መሓፍት ብቻ እንዲበዙ በማድረግ፡

• ግዕዝኛን አጥፍቶ፡ በምትኩ፡ ዐረብኛ ብቻ እንዲተካ ለማድረግ፡ ብዙ የቤተክርስቲያን የግዕዝ መሕፍትን፡ (የተወሰኑ የሃይማኖት መሕፍት ብቻ ሲቀሩ) የታሪክ፥ የፍልስፍና፥ የዕደ ጥበብ፥ የትውፊት መጻሕፍትን በደካማ ነገሥታት እያደሩ በማስጠፋት፡

• እንደ አፄ ዐምደ ጽዮን የመሳሰሉ፡ የዚህን ነገር አደገኛነት የተረዱ ነገሥታት፡ ወደቀደመ ሥርኣት ለመመለስ ያደረጉትን እርምጃ አምርሮ በመቃወም፡ ታሪካቸውን ገልብጦ በመጻፍና ያለስማቸው ስም በመስጠት፡ “ያባታቸውን ሚስት ያገቡ” በማለት፡ ኢትዮጵያውያን የነርሱን ፈለግ እንዳይከተሉ በመከላከል፡ ሌሎች ነገሥታትም የርሱን ፈለግ ሲከተሉ፡ ወይም ቀድሞ የተከተሉ ከነበሩ፡ “በዘመኑ ንጉሥ እከሌ የግብን ጳጳስ በመቃወሙ እግዚአብሔር ተቆጥቶ ረሃብ ሆነ” የሚሉ እንቶ ፈንቶ ተረቶችን በመፍጠር፡ የኢትዮጵያውያን ምዕመናንን ሥነ-ልቦና በፍርሃት በመያዝ፡

• ከዚህም አልፎ ተርፎ፡ “ሥጋ በመለኮት ፀጋ ሲበቃ ሊሰወር አይችልም፡ ስውር ባሕታዊ የሚባል ነገር የለም፡ ክርስቶስም ረቂቅ መለኮት ቢኖረውም፡ ሥጋውን ሊያረቅቀውና ስውር ሊያደርገው አይችልም” እያሉ ኢትዮጵያውያንን ለዘመናት ከኖሩበት ክርስቶሳዊ እምነታቸውና ሥውር ባሕታውያንን የማናገር ፀጋቸው ለማላቅቅና፡ በምትኩ፡ የነርሱን ሁለት ባሕሪ የመሰለ አስተምህሮ እንዲቀበል በማስገደድ፡ በ5ኛው ክፍለ ዘመን በዋልድባ ላሉ መነኮሳትና ሊቃውንት መበታተንና መጨፍጨፍ ምክንያት በመሆናቸው (ዛሬ የግብጽ ኦርቶዶክስ “ተዋሕዶ” ቤተክርስቲያን እያልን ስንጠራቸው ይገርመኛል፡፡ የሃይማኖት ቃላቸው በተግባር ሲገለጥ ምን እንደሆነ ስለማያውቁ፡ በኢትዮጵያ ምድር ከባሕታውያን ጋር ሲጣሉ ኖሩ፡፡ ለመሆኑ፡ ግብውያን “ሥላሴ በስም ሦስት ናቸው እንጂ በአካል ሦስት አደሉም” እንደሚሉ ስንቶቻችን እናውቃለን? የኛ ቤተክርስቲያን ግን፡ በተረዳ ነገር “አብ የራሱ የሆነ ፍጹም አካል አለው፡ ወልድ የራሱ የሆነ ፍጹም አካል አለው ፡መንፈስ ቅዱስ የራሱ የሆነ ፍጹም አካል አለው፡ ወልድ ሰው የሆነው በተለየ አካሉ ነው” ብለን ስናምን፡ ግብጻውያኑ ግን አካል ያለው ወልድ ብቻ ነው ይላሉ፡፡ የአባ ሕርያቆስን ቅዳሴ የት እንዳገቡት እንጃ፡፡ ምናልባት አባ ሕርያቆስ ግብጦች በሁዋላ በሓሰት እንዳጻፉት ሳይሆን፡ በዋልድባ የነበረ ኢትዮጰያዊ ነው የሚለው የአባ ተስፋ ሥላሴ argument ትክክል ሆኖ ይሆን? ይመስላል!)

• ኢትዮጵያውያን፡ ከማንም በፊት፡ በመልከ-ጼዴቅ በኩል የክህነት ፀጋ ተቀብለው ሳለ፡ ሁዋላም፡ በታቦተ ጽዮን መምጣት ጊዜ፡ በሌዋውያን ካህናት በኩል “እስራኤል ዘነፍስ” ተብለው፡ ክህነታቸውን አጽንተው፡ የክህነት ግምጃ ቤት ሆነው ሳለ፡ ግብጻውያኑ ለነርሱ ዐረባዊ ተንኮል እንዲያመቻቸው፡ መልከ ዴቅንና ከንግስተ ሳባ በፊት ያሉ የኢትዮጵያ ካህናትን አስደናቂ መንፈሳዊ ኑሮና እግዚአብሔራዊ ትምህርት የሚዘክሩ መሕፍት እንዳይነበቡ በማውገዝና፡ “የማንም ደብተራ የጻፋቸው ድግምቶች” የሚል ስም በማሰጠት፡ ከኢትዮጵያ ምድር ወጥተው በሜሮዌና ኑብያ እንዲሰደዱ በማድረግ፡ ኢትዮጵያውያን ከሳባ በፊት ያለውን ታሪካቸውን እንዳያውቁ በተቻላቸው መጠን በመታገል፡

• እግዚአብሔር “ኢትዮጵያውያኑ የሰጠሁዋቸውን ሃብተ-ክህነት ንቀው፡ ባላልኩዋቸው መንገድ ሄደውብኛልና፡ ትቀጣቸው ዘንድ አሳልፌ ሰጥቼሃለሁ፡ ነገር ግን ጠላቶቻቸውን (ዐረባውያን ግብጦችንና ሌሎች ስደተኛ ክስርቲያን ነን ባዮችን) እንጂ እነርሱን አትንካ” በማለት ለዮዲት ጉዲት አይሁዳዊ ቅድመ አያት የቅጣትን ፈቃድ በመስጠቱ፡ ትልቅ ችግር በኢትዮጵያ ተከስቶ፡ ኢትዮጵያን እርስ በርስ ብቻ ሳይሆን ከአምላክ ጋር ጭምር እንዲጣሉ ምክንያት በመሆን፡

• በኢትዮጵያ የነበሩና፡ በሰላም ወደ ክርስትና መቀላቀል የጀመሩ ቤተ እስራኤላውያንን፡ “ሰቃልያነ እግዚእ” እያሉ ነገሥታቱ ሁሉ እነርሱን ለማጥፋት እንዲተባበሩ በመቀስቀስና፡ ነገሥታቱ እምቢ ካሉም “የክርስቶስ ወዳጅ አይደለህም” እያሉ ከሌሎች ስደተኛ የሮምና የሌሎች የውጭ ሃገር ተወላጅ ክርስቲያኖች ጋር በመተባበር፡ ቅስቀሳ በማካሄድ፡ በኢትዮጵያ ምድር ቤተ እስራኤላውያንን እንደማርያም ጠላት እንዲታዩ በማድረግ፡

• በዚህ ድርጊታቸው ተከፍቶ፡ ከበዙ ሙከራ በሁዋላ፡ ጥምቀቱን ሁሉ ትቶና ማተቡን በጥሶ ወደሁዋላ እየተመለሰ ጭምር፡ ራሱን ለማደራጀት የበቃው የቤተ እሥራኤልና የሌሎችም የተገፉ ኢትዮጵያውያን ጦር፡ በዮዲት ጉዲት አማካኝነት ተነስቶ፡ ዐረብ-ነክ የሆኑ ቅሪቶችን ለማጥፋት በመነሳቱ፡ በሰበቡ ለብዙ የቤተክርስቲያን ሃብት መውደምና ብዙ ካህናት መታረድ ምክንያት በመሆን፡

• ኢትዮጵያ በሕገ-ልቦና እና በሕገ-ኦሪት ጸንታ የነበረች በመሆንዋ፡ ሊቃውንቶችዋ ሁሉንም ከሕገ-ወንጌል ጋር አስተባብረው በሚያስተምሩበት ወቅት፡ “የምታስተምሩት ኑፋቄ ነው” በማለት በመቃወምና፡ ልክ እንደዘመኑ ተሃድሶ መናፍቃን “ገና ከኦሪት ያልተላቀቃችሁ” በማለት ትልቅ ረብሻ በማስነሳት፡ ከ700 በላይ መተኪያ የሌላቸው ሊቃውንት፡ በአክሱም ዘመነ መንግሥት፡ በኢትዮጵያ ምድር በማስጨፍጨፍና በማሳደድ፡

• ኢትዮጵያዊው የሥዕል አሳሳል ዘይቤ ጠፍቶ፡ በምትኩ በነርሱ መልክ ዐረባዊ መልክ ያለው ሰው እንዲሳል በመጎትጎት፡ እምቢ ካሉም፡ ኢትዮጵያውያን ሰዓሊዎችን ምላስና እጃቸውን ከነገሥታት ጋር በመተባበር በማስቆረጥ፡

• “የብሕትውና ሁሉ ጀማሪ አባ እንጦንስ ነው” በማለት ያለማዕረጉ ከሚገባው በላይ ማዕረግ ሰጥተው፡ በኢትዮጵያ ላይ ድንቅ ተአምራትን ያደርጉ የነበሩና ብዙ ገዳማትን በኢትዮጵያ ዙርያ ክልሎች ያቀኑ ናዝራውያን ባሕታውያንንና ካሕናትን በማሳደድ፡ ክርስቶስን ሲወለድ እጅ መንሻ የሰጡትንና ከነርሱ ተምሮ የመነነውን ሁሉ እንደሌለ በመቁጠር፡ እስከዋልድባ በማሳደድና የአክሱምን ቤተ ክህነት ከእጃቸው ፈልቅቆ በመውሰድ የኢትዮጵያን ቤተክህነት ለዘላለሙ በመለወጥ (የኢትዮጵያ አብነት ትምህርት ቤት ግን ኢትዮጵያዊውን ሥርዓት በመጠበቅ፡ የቤተክህነቱን ያህል ሳይበገርላቸው እስከዛሬ በእግዚአብሔር ቸርነት ዘልቆዋል፡፡)

• ንጉሥ፡ ሁሉ “አል…” በሚል ቅጥያ እንጂ “አፄ” በሚል ቅጥያ እንዳይጠራ ለማድረግ የተቻላቸውን ሁሉ በመሥራት: ለዛሬዎቹ አረማውያንና ዐረባውያን ወገኖቻቸው “አልነጃሺ የተባለ ሙስሊም ንጉሥ ነበር”… ቅብርጥሶ የሚል የፈጠራ ታሪክ መንገድ በመክፈት፡

• ለዚህ ጥፋትን አዘል አገልግሎታቸው፡ ሓዋርያዊነቱ ቀርቶ ንግድ እስኪመስል ድረስ፡ ነብዩ በትንቢቱ እንዳለው፡ ኢትዮጵያውያንን ለግብጽ ጉስቁልና በመንዳት፡ ብዙ ወርቅና ብር እጅ መንሻ ከኢትዮጵያውያኑ ሲጎርፍና ሲቸገሩ፡ “ይህ መንፈሳዊ አገልገሎት እንጂ ሥጋዊ አደለም” ብሎ እንኩዋን ሃይ ያለ አንድም ግብጣዊ ክርስቲያን ባለመኖሩ፡ እንዲያውም፡ እጅ መንሻው በድብቅ “እከሌን ትተህ እከሌን አንግሥልኝ” ለሚል መማጠኛ ጭምር እንዲውል በመፍቀድ፡ የለየለት የዛሬውን ቤተ ክህነትና መንግሥት ትስስር የሚመስል የማፊያ አሠራር በመንደፍ፡ ነገሥታቱን በሥልጣን ሽኩቻ በማባላት፡ እነርሱ ግን በመሃል ቤት ወርቃቸውን በማጋበስ፡

• ከዚህም የባሰው ደግሞ፡ ምንኩስናቸውን ያፈረሱ እና አንዱ ደግሞ ሃይማኖቱ እስላም የሆነ ከአንድም ሁለት ሦስት ጋጠወጥ ግብጣውያን ጳጳሳት፡ ወደኢትዮጵያ መጥተው የቻሉትን ያህል ሃይማኖታዊ ቅርስና ወርቅ ዘርፈው ሲሄዱ፡ ግብጥ ላይ የሚያወግዛቸው እንኩዋ አለመኖሩ፡ ይልቁንም “ደግ አረግህ ልጄ” የሚል በሚመስል አኩዋሁዋን ምንም ሳይባሉ ኑሮዋቸውን እንዲቀጥሉ በማድረግ


አሁን በዘመናችን ደግሞ፡-


• በኢየሩሳሌም የኢትዮጵያን ይዞታ በመቀናቀንና መነኮሳቱን በማስቸገር

• አንድ ተአምር መሰል ነገር የተሰራላቸው እንደሆን፡ በየኢንተርኔቱ በየመጽሐፉ በየምናምኑ በማስነገር፡ ውስጠ-ኑፋቄ የሆነ አደገኛ ትምህርታቸውን በተሃድሶዎች በኩል በማስፋፋት- አዎን! ያንን እስኪበቃኝ ታዝቤያለሁ፡፡ ተመሳስለው ቤተክርስቲያን የገቡ ተሃድሶዎች በሙሉ ወይ አፍቃሬ-ግብጽ፡ ወይ አፍቃሬ-ግሪክ ናቸው፡፡ ስብከታቸውን፡ አንድምታቸውን፡ መጽሓፋቸውን ማዳነቅና የኢትዮጵያውን ግዕዛዊ ስብከትና አንድምታ ደግሞ እንከኑን በማብዛት፡ የምእመናንን ልብ መሸርሸር የዕለት ተዕለት ሥራቸው ነው፡፡ ያም፡ እውነት ግብጽን ወይም ግሪክን ወደው ሳይሆን፡ ኢትዮጵያዊውን ትምህርትና ትውፊት ለመደምሰስ፡ በቅድሚያ እርሱን የማይተካ፡ በስም ግን ኦርቶዶክሳዊ የሆነ ሥርዓት ወደቤተክርስቲያን ማስገባት እንዳለባቸው፡ ጠንቅቀው ስለሚያውቁ ነው፡፡ (በሚያሳዝን ሁኔታ፡ የዘመኑ መንፈሳዊ መጽሓፍ ጸሓፊ ሁሉ፡ ያለ ሽኖዳ አባት ያለ ግብጽ ገዳማት የማያውቅ ይመስል፡ “አስቄጥስ”…. “አስቄጥስ”….. “ሽኖዳ”…. “ሽኖዳ” የሚል መጽሓፍና ኅትመት ብቻ በማባዛት፡ በኢትዮጵያ የሕይወት ቃልን እየተናገሩ፡ ግን ሰሚ አጥተው እያለፉ ያሉ ባሕታውያንንና ያብነት ትምህርት ቤት መምህራንን ትምህርትና ቃለ ምዕዳን እየተከታተሉ በጽሑፍ በማስፈር ፈንታ፡ የቲዮሎጂ ምሩቅና ጋዜጠኛ ሁሉ የግብጽ ኦርቶዶክስ ቤተከርስቲያን ተከታይ እስኪመስል ድረስ፡ ቅኔያዊውና ወዝ ያለው የኢትዮጵያውያን ቃለ እግዚአብሔር ከትውልዱ ጆሮ እንዳይደርስ ደንቃራ እየሆነ ይገኛል፡፡ በግብጽ አስቄጥስን አስቄጥስ ያደረጉዋት፡ ቁስቁዋምን ቁስቁዋም ያደረጉዋት እኮ ቀደም ሲል የነበሩ ኢትዪጵያውያን መናንያን ነበሩ እንጂ ሌላ አደለም!)

• በግብጽ ስደት ወቅት፡ እመቤታችን በኮቲባና ትዕማን የደረሰባትን እንግልት፡ በልዋጩ ለኢትዮጵያውያን ለመስጠት በመዳዳት፡ “ግብጾች እንዲህ አደረጉ የሚለው የኢትዮጵያውያን ፈጠራ ነው” በማለት ራሳቸውን በትዕቢት በመኮፈስ፡ ምግባር ጉድለታቸውን ሁሉ በኢትዮጵያውያን ላይ በማላከክ

• የእግዚአብሔር ካህን ዮቶርን (የሙሴ አማትን) ለሙሴ በሕገ- እግዚአብሔር ፈንታ ጥንቆላን ያስተማረ እርሱ ነው በማለት፡ የአረማውያን ፈርኦኖቻቸውን ስምና ዝና ሳይቀር በካህኑ ዮቶር ፈንታ በመከላከል፡ በውዳሴ ማርያም ትርጉዋሜ እንዲገባ በማድረግ፡

• የቀስተ ደመና እና የባንዲራችንን ትስስር ለማስቀረት፡ በዚሁ መጽሓፍ ላይ፡ በቀስተ ደመናው ጎልቶ የሚታየው አረንጉዋዴ ቢጫ ቀይ ቀለም ቀርቶ፡ ጎልቶ የማይታየውን በመውሰድ፡ የቀስቱ ቀለም ጥቁር፡ ነጭ፡ ቀይና ብጫ ነው በማለት፡ ከራሳቸው ባንዲራ ቀለማት ጋር ተጠጋግቶ ተተክቶ እንዲነበብ በማድረግ፡ ከዚህም አልፎ ተርፎ፡ አረንጉዋዴ ቢጫ ቀይ የሆነውን የተለመደውን የኢትዮጵያውያንን ማተብ፡ በራሳቸው ባንዲራ ቀለማት በመተካት፡ ጥቁር ነጭ ቀይ በማድረግ፡ “ነጩ ሕይወት፡ ቀዩ የክርስቶስ ደም፡ ጥቁሩ የገሃነም ምሳሌ ነው” በማለት እንዳፈቀዳቸው ትርጉም በመስጠት ሲያቄሉን በመኖር፡ (ከማንኛውም ቀለም፡ ተለዋጭ ትርጉም መስጠት የሚቻል መሆኑን አንዘንጋ)

….ይህንና ይህን በመሳሰለው፡ ፈጽሞ የማንግባባባቸው የእስክንድርያዎች ዲስኩርና ውስጠ-ጠላትነት ምክንያት፡ ዳግም በግብጽ ቅኝ ግዛት እንድንገዛ ለተመኘህበት ደጀሰላም ንስሓ ግባ፡፡ የደጀ ሰላምን ጽሑፍ አንብቦ በልቡ የተመኘም ሁሉ ንስሓ ይግባ፡፡

እስክንድርያ አደለችም፡ ኢትዮጵያ ናት እናታችን፡፡ ትናንት አቦ አቦ ስንላቸውና ስንክባቸው የነበሩትን አባቶች፡ በሥራቸው ምክንያት ዛሬ መሬት ስናወርዳቸው፡ አለቃ አያሌው ታምሩ በመንፈስ እያዩ ምን ይሉ ይሆን? እውነተኛው ጠንቅ መቼ እንደጀመረና ምን እንደሆነ ግልጽ አድርገው ተናግረውት ነበር እኮ? እነ ንቡረ እድ ኤርምያስ ከበደ ምን ይላሉ? እስክንድርያ ምን ያስኬደናል ቅኝ ግዛት ፍለጋ? ከላይ የተዘረዘረው የግብጻውያን ወንጀል ሁሉ ከሌሎች የኛ ስንፍናዎችና አላዋቂነት ጋር ተደማምሮ የት ድረስ እንዳዘቀጠን በደንብ የተረዱ፡ የአሁኑ ቤተ-ክህነት ችግርም እንዴት እንደሚፈታ በደንብ የሚያውቁ፡ እነርሱን የመሰሉ ሊቃውንት፡ ታሪክ አዋቂዎችና የክህነት ባለቤቶች እያሉ፡ እስክንድርያ የምንሄደው አል ነጃሺን ፍለጋ ነው ወይ? ወይስ አሁን ደሞ እጅ መንሻ አባይን አንደኛችንን አስረክበን ሌላ 1600 ዓመት ከግብጽ ውሃ ስንለምን ልንኖር ነው? ወይስ ዴር ሱልጣንን እጅ መንሻ እንስጥ? እግዚአብሔር ሌላ ግራኝ፡ ሌላ ዮዲት ያስነሳ ወይ? እሱ ነው ያማረን? ምን ችግር አለ? እኛ ብቻ ያማረንን እንግለጥ እንጂ እነርሱ እንደሆን ዝግጁ ናቸው- እንደጥንቱ ሊግጡንና ከቻሉ ሊያጠፉን የኛዎቹ ፍልስጤማውያን ራሳቸው አሰፍስፈዋል፡፡

መድሓኒቱን አፍንጫችን ሥር አስቀምጠን፡ ወንዝ ተሻግሮ የሰው ቤት መቀላወጥ፡ ያውም የማይመስሉንን ሰዎች ቤት መቀላወጥ፡ ራስን የመጥላትና የራስን ሊቃውንትን የመናቅ አባዜ እንጂ ሌላ ስም የለውም፡፡

ሌላውም የተዋሕዶ ልጅ ነኝ የሚል ሁሉ፡ ኢትዮጵያን ሳይሆን ግብጽን በኢትዮጵያ ላይ ከመስበክ መቆጠብ ይገባዋል፡፡ ኢትዮጵያ ኢትዮጵያ ናት- ሥርኣቱዋና ከአምላክ የተቀበለችው አደራም 7 ቃልኪዳናት እንጂ አንድ ብቻ የሥጋ ወደሙ ቃል ኪዳን አደለም፡፡ ታቦትን፡ ግርዛትን፡ ጠበልን፡ ብሕትውናን፡ የተቀደሱ እንስሳትን መብላትን፡ ሥርዓተ መንግሥትን፡ የቀስተ ደመና ሰንደቅ ዓላማችንን፡ የቤተልሔምን ምሳሌያዊ ህንጸትና የንጹህ ስንዴ ሕብስት የመፈተት ምሳሌያዊ ሥርዓትን… ይህን ሁሉ ገና ለግብጾች ስናስረዳ መኖር የለብንም፡፡ የምንሰዋው ቁርባን እንኩዋ ተምሳሌቱ የኛ ምሉዕ እና ሦስቱንም ሕግጋት (ሕገ-ልቦና፡ ሕገ-ኦሪትና ሕገ-ወንጌል) አጠቃልሎ የያዘ ነው- ሁለቱን በተምሳሌትነት፡ አንዱን በአማናዊነት፡፡ እንደመናፍቅ “ዋናው ክርስቶስ ነው” እያልን መቅለጥ ካልፈለግን በቀር እስክንድርያ የሚያዞረን ጉዳይ የለም፡፡

59 comments:

tad said...

To birhanawit:
There are a lot issues where I don't agree with Coptic church's past history regarding to EOC. But, the way you put it far from my dream. Are we not all bound to the same bible,the main source of our faith. You don't sound to me that you have read the EOTC history book written by the late Archbishop Abune Gorgorious. SEBATU KIDANAT?.There is one, and only one. That is the blood of Jesus christ which is shed for you and me. That is what the apostles, the early fathers,the saints and the whole generation of Orthodox theologians taught for 2000yrs.
Please refer Haimanote abew.
Thanks

Anonymous said...

I tottaly ageer by the team of this written.in any case the egyptian haven't had good name in the passed. but, what we lack is sufficient knowledg about our religion. so,let us pray. remember the the history of susunyose.

Qedamawi said...

i will come soon with a lots of coments on Birhanawit idea. i think so birhanawit is very confused between Ethiopian and Coptic faith.i know on our history many Coptic Bishops made a mistake but you exadgurated it. birhanawit follows the idea of Nibure ed' Ermias i personally respect him but as of EOTC felloshiper we are different in faith with him. anyway don't be hatefull.Jesus Chirst teach us to love those who don't love us and hate us. Coptic are our brothers' and sisters' we have the same faith. believe or not they are better than us on the spread of Holly Gosepl to the world.
now where are we those Eotc? fightig each other or distributing Gospel to the world?still we didn't reach to teach our faith to our boarder like Kenyans' and Sudanisse, what the reason for that? we celeberate last week for 80 years anniversary of our own Arcbishop. So how far is the developmet to our church by getting of our own Bishop. is it fatifactory? i said no because we are very backward on administration but those Copitic are growth fast and fast. what the reason for that? because Cpotic knows what they are doing, what they will doing, they know their job descriptions and they know their goals. What about us those Eotc members?
you confused me about their faith on Holly Trinity but here is their faith http://www.copticchurch.net/topics/thecopticchurch/church3-1.html what you wrote was the idea of Nibure eb' Ermias i think so that is wrong.

Anonymous said...

Qedamawi,

Thanks for your comment.

FYI- Nibure Id Ermias has not written all these details in his books; only some are included. I got them from other history books-Such as the books of Aba Tesfa Selassie Moges and others.

For being "follower of Nibure-Id's idea", you should know that it is not his idea, rather it is the idea for which your mothers and fathers died for, and people like Aleka Ayalew Tamiru got chased out for. So, don't lock it personally.

Thanks!

Berhanawit

Anonymous said...

Birhanawit,
May Ye Ethiopia Amlak Bless you chemiro chemiro!

those of you who are wishing for the hegemony of egyptians, our eternal enemies, you can simply renounce your Ethiopian citizenship and accept whatever they have in cairo for spineless and pathetic Habeshs like you. EOTC is the source of our identity, our pride, she is our mother and our hope. For most of us there will never be a good enough reason to give up on her and let egyptians pee on her, and hence our country Ethiopia. It should be known that once the authority of administrating the church is passed to the egyptians, there will never be an independent EOTC, which means our church can not speak for herself and her people. That would be very shameful, and there is no way EOTC followers will allow that for they are a proud and patiotic Ethiopians who value the sacrifice of their magnificent forefathers. What we have faced today is a challenge that will be solved with the strength of our Ethiopian faith, patience, wisdom and resolve that we have inherited from our glorious ancestors. Stop this pathetic nonsense! As far as i am concerned the idea of submitting our church for eoc's authority is a treason!

Nisir said...

በመሰረቱ በክርስትና እንኳንስ በእምነት የሚመስሉንን ይቅርና ከማይመስሉን ከአህዛብ ጋርም በፍቅር ልንኖር የግድ ይላል። ይህን ስል ከግብጻውያን ጋር ክመሰረታዊ ሐይማኖት ጉዳዮች በስተቀር በሁሉም ዝርዝር ነጥቦች አንድ ነን ማለቴ እንዳልሆነ ይታወቅልኝ። እስከዛሬ ለገጠመን ችግር መፍትሔ ስንፈልግ ግብጻውያንን ከመጥላት እና ከመውደድ ወይም ከማድነቅ እና ከመናቅ ጋር አናያይዘው። በእርግጥ እምነታችንን፤ የሀገራችንን ነጻነት፤ እና የዓባይን ወንዝ ተንተርሶ ከግብጻውያን ጋር በነበረን ግንኙነት ወቅት ታሪክ ከትቦ የያዛቸው በጎም ሆኑ ክፉ እውነታዎች ለመፍትሔ ፍለጋችን ራሳቸውን የቻሉ ግብአቶች ሊሆኑን ይችላሉ። ከየት እንደመጣን ከዘነጋን ወዴትም እንደምንሔድ አናውቅምና ።

እዚያም ቤት እሳት አለ እንዲሉ በግብጽ ውስጥም በሚሊዮኖች የሚቆጠሩ ለእምነታቸው የሚተጉ ክርስቲያኖች እንዳሉ ሁሉ እንደኛው ቤተ ክህነት ሰዎች እምነቱን ሽፋን አድርገው ስጋዊ ወይም ፖለቲካዊ ልበለው ወይም የግል አመለካከታቸውን ለማስፈጸም ከላይ ታች የሚሉ አሉ። ለዚህም ነው እዚያም ቤት እሳት አለ ያልኩት። በእኛም ቤት ውስጥ ድህነት ሳያሸንፈው ዕለት ዕለት ቤተ ክርስቲያንን ሲሰራ ገዳማትን ሲረዳ የሚኖር የዋህ ህዝብ እንዳለ ሁሉ የቤተ ክርስቲያናችንን መዋቅር ከላይ እስከ ታች ይዘው የእግዚአብሔርን ገንዘብ እየሰረቁ፡ በተቀደሰው ቦታ እርኩሰትን እያደርጉ ለብዙዎች መሰናከያ የሚሆኑም አሉ።

ግብጻውያን ወገኖቻችንንም እግዚአብሔር ይጠብቅልን፤እኛም እነርሱ እነርሱም እኛ ጋር በመመላለስ ገዳማትን እየተሳለምን በበጎ ነገር ሁሉ እንድንተባበር እግዚአብሔር ይርዳን።

እነሆ መፍትሔ ለመፈለግ መንስኤውን ማወቅ ወሳኝ ይመስለኛል። በዚህ ረገድ እኛ የግብጻውያንን ችግር ምንጭ ከማወቅ ይልቅ በቋንቋም በባህልም በኑሮም አንድ ስለሆንን የራሳችንን ችግር ማወቁ ይቀለናል።
ሌላው ሳልጠቅሰው የማላልፈው ጉዳይ በክርስትና ጉዞ አንዱን ችግር ወይም ፈተና ሸሽቶ ምንም ችግር የሌለበት ቦታ ልሂድ የሚባል ነገር የለም፤ኧረ ከቶም እንዲህ ያለ ዓለምም አይኖርም።ክርስትና የመከራ ጉዞ መስቀል ተሸክሞ የሚሄዱበት ጉዞ እንጂ አልጋ ባልጋ ነው መንገዱ ወደ መንገስተ ሰማያት ሲሄዱ የሚባልለት አይደለም። ስለዚህ ችግሮቻችንን እየተጋፈጥን በመንፈሳዊ ማስተዋል መፍትሔዎችን እየፈለግን እየተማርን እያስተማርን ልንኖር ግድ ይለናል።

የእኛ ችግር የፓትርያርኩ ብቻ አይደለም። እንደ ፓትርያርኩም ሁሉ መንፈሳዊ ግዴታቸውን የዘነጉ በዓለም ካሉት በበለጠ ስጋዊ ፍላጎታቸውን የሚያሳድዱ ጳጳሳት፤ቀሳቅውስት፤ ዲያቆናት፤ ምዕመናን፤እና ምዕመናት አሉ። እነዚህና እነዚህ የመሰሉት ናቸው ከላይ እስከ ታች እስከዘበኛው ድረስ ተቀናጅተው ህገ ቤተ ክርስቲያን ይከበር ባሉ አበው ጳጳሳት ላይ የተቀናጀ ሰይጣናዊ ተግባር የፈጸሙት። እነዚህ ሰዎች ይህን እንዲያደርጉ የፈቀድንላቸው ግን ዘወትር በልምድ ብቻ በግዴለሽነት ጭምር ድርሻችንን ሳንወጣ ቤተ ክርስቲያን ለንግስ እና ለቅዳሴ ብቻ ደረስ እያልን የምንመጣ ሰዎች ነን።
እኛ የሰበካ ጉባኤ አባልነት የማንከፍል፤ ምርጫ ሲደረግ ለመምረጥም ሆነ ለመመረጥ የማንገኝ ስብሰባ ሲጠሩን ጊዜ የሌለን፤ ብንመርጥ እንኳን ማንን በምን መስፈርት መምረጥ እንደሚገባን ጠይቀን ወይም አንብበን የማንረዳ(ሆን ብለው የሚያስተምሩን ባይኖሩ እንኳን)ነን። ስለዚህ ይህችን የተረዱእነ እንቶኔ እየተጠራሩ አጥንት እንዳየ ጉንዳን በቤተ ክርስቲያን በሀብቷ በሥርዓቷ ላይ ዘመቱበት።በዚህ ሁኔታ ከርመው ችግሮች ገዝፈው ገዝፈው ተራራር ከሆኑ በኋላ የቤታችንን ችግር በሚዲያ ሰምተን ስናበቃ ወደ ግብጽ ብንሔድ ይሻል ይሆን ማለታችን የአሁኑ ይባስ የሚያሰኝ ነው። እሥራኤላውያን በሙሴ መሪነት ከፈርኦን አገዛዝ ነጻ ከወጡ በኋላ በኅጢያታቸው እና ባለመታገሳቸው ፈተና ሲበዛባቸው ግብጽ ይሻለን ነበር እያሉ በሙሴ ላይ ያጉረመረሙበት ቢጋነንም በከፊል ለያዝነው ጉዳይ ምሳሌ ይሆነናል።ስለዚህ ወደራሳችን እንመልከት፤ራሳችንን እንውቀስ፤ ስላልሰራናቸው የቤት ሥራዎቻችን፡በአፍም በመጣፍም ተነግሮን ላልሰማነው።

እኛ በየአጥቢያ ቤተ ክርስቲያናችን ፈሪሃ እግዚአብሔር ያላቸውን ሰዎች ብንመርጥ ከነዚህ መካከል ከየአጥቢያው የተወከሉ ናቸው ወደ ወረዳው፤ሀገረ ስብከት እና ጠቅላይ ቤተ ክህነት የተላያዩ የአስተዳደር ጉባኤያት እየተወከሉ በመሔድ የመንፈሳዊ አስተዳደሩ በሥራ ላይ እንዲውል የሚያደርጉት። ይህ ሁሉ ሆኖ ከስንዴ መሀል እንክርዳድ ባይጠፋ እንኳን የብዙሃኑ ቀናነት ደካሞችን አስተካክሎ እነርሱንም በንሥሀ እንዲመለሱ ይረዳቸዋል። ስለዚህ የመፍትሄው ጫፍ እያንዳንዳችን ላይ ሲወርድ እንዲያው በትንሹ በዓመት ለሁለት ለሶስት ቀናት ያውም ለስዓታት በሚደረጉ ስብሰባዎች በመንፈሳዊ ማስተዋል በንቃት መሳተፍ እና ዘወትር ለቤተ ክርስቲያን ጥሪዎች ጆሮዎቻችንን መስጠት ይሆናል።አቤቱ እንደ ቸርነትህ፤ ቅድስት ሆይ ጸጋውንና ክብሩን እንዳይነሳን ለምኝልን ማለቱንም ሳንረሳ።
ቸር ያሰማን!

Anonymous said...

ውድ ደጀ ሰላማዊያን

ውስጤ በጣም ብዙ ጥያቄዎች እየተመላለሱ ቢያስጨንቁኝ ለእናንተ ላቅርብ እና የበኩላችሁን መፍትሔ ጠቁሙ ብዮ ላኩላችሁ፡፡
• በዚህ ችግር ዙሪያ አቢያተክርስቲያናት ፤ ካህናት ፤ ሰንበት ት/ቤቶች ፤ ምዕመናን ያላቸው ድርሻ ምንድር ነው? እባካችሁ የእያንዳንዳቸውን ድርሻ በዝርዝር እንወያይበት ጥቅምት ሳይደርስ ሁሉም የበሉን መወጣት ይችል ዘንድ አሊያ እንደ ባለፈው ጊዜ ጅብ ከሔደ … እንዳይሆንብን፡፡
• ከላይ ያነሳሁትን ሀሳብ ለማዳበር መጽሐፍ የሚሾም ካህን ምግባሩ ፤ ያማረ ጸባዩ የሰመረ እንዲሆነ ፤ ምዕመናን የመሰከሩለት መሆን እንዲገባው ይናገራል፡፡ ታዲያ ምዕመናን ሕግ ተጣሰ ፤ ሥርዓት ፈረሰ ብለው ድምጽ ማሰባሰብ (vote/poll) ፤ ይህ ትክክል ነው ይህ ደግሞ አይደለም ብለው ሃሳባቸውን ለአባቶች ማቀበል አይችሉም? በአጼ ሱሲኒዎስ ጊዜ ሃይማኖቴ ሲል ለሰማዕትነት እራሱን የሰጠው ገበሬ (ምዕመን) ድርሻ ነበረው፡፡ እኛስ?
• ይችላሉ ከሆነ መልሳችሁ ታዲያ አልዘገየንም?
• ለማንኛውም እንደኔ አመለካከት የቤተክርስቲያንዋ ተከታይ የሆነ ሁሉ ድርሻውን አውቆ የበኩሉን መወጣት ያለበት ጊዜ በመሆኑ እና ቤተክርስቲያንዋ ወደ ተዳፈነ የጨለማ ዘመን ከመሔድዋ በፊት የድርሻችንን ልንወጣ ይገባል እላለሁ፡፡ ብዙዎቻችን ከጸሎት ያለፈ ምንም ማድረግ እንደማንችል ስንናገር እንስተዋላለንና በግልጽ ተወያይተን እራሳችንን ብናዘጋጅ::
• የአባቶቻችንን ቤት የሰበሩት እና እነርሱንም ያጎሳቆሉት ወንበዴዎች መጨረሻ ምን ደረሰ? የአዲስ አበባ ፓሊስ ጉዳዩን እየተከታተለ ነው? ወይስ ማን እንደሆነ ስለሚያውቀው ምስጢር አደረገው ስለዚህ ጉዳይስ ሊጠይቃቸው እና መልስ ሊያቀብለን የሚችል ማን ነው? ቪኦኤ ወይስ ደጀሰላም ወይስ ምዕመናን እባካችሁ ጠይቃችሁ አሰሙን፡፡
• እንደ ንጉሴ ያሉ ለሕዝብ ሳይሆን ለገንዘብ ለቆሙ ነገር ግን ገንዘብ አልን ብለው ሬዲዮ ጣቢያ ከፍተው የጋዜጠኝነትን ሙያ ላረከሱ እውነትን ለሸሸጉ ከመናገር እና ከመጻፍ የዘለለ ጉቦ ተቀብለው እውነትትን በመሸሸግ ወንጀል ያለንበት አሜሪካ የሕግ አንቀጽ የላትም ትላላችሁ? የሕግ ባለሙዮች አንድ በሉን፡፡

ሰላም ዘሚካኤል

Adera yemilachihu said...

A follow up on Nisir's view!

Dear beloved Tewahedo followers,

I was shocked as a member of EOTC that some are longing to go back to the “olden days”.

I am afraid we have either forgotten what Christianity is all about or some are deliberately trying to use this unfortunate opportunities for other "mission" which I don't have any idea about. Or, may be, some still don’t know Christianity.

“For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.” Gal.6:3

EOTC and True Christianity is all about perseverance in difficult times.

We venerate our saints and martyrs, not because everything was smooth and perfect for them but because they remained firm in their faith and endured up to the end. Whom are we trying to emulate in this perverse generation? Is it not for the same reason that St Peter advised us by saying “Save yourselves from this perverse generation”? Act 2:40

Let's review our lives before we start spreading different ideas that crossed our mind.

Let's remind ourselves that we will be accountable in front of the Throne of God for every word we say. We will be answerable twice, for not obeying His words and also for misleading others through our words.

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” Gala.6:7


Please bear with me; I would like to quote from the book of Prophet Isaiah:

“Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy,that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness." Isa 59:1-3

When we want to do something let us review it first if it is according to the bible, for we can’t do anything out of biblical teaching( that is if we are all Christians). I don't mean we have to fold our arms and sit back until we are able to do it in perfection; nobody can become perfect but let's refrain from deliberate destructive words and actions, and admit the mistakes we may have made inadvertently on the way.

Otherwise no one will bring a better solution. Of course; a better solution can only come from ABOVE. What do I mean? No matter how hard we struggle, unless we do it as faithful according to the will of God; any change which might come forth will not be for the betterment we are dreaming for. No doubt, a change will come sooner or later. But what kind of change?

Let's pray (real prayer). I know everyone is praying; but are we doing it in a manner that takes our prayer beyond the clouds? The question is to all of us.

Last but not least, I would like to express my gratitude to Nisir for his matured and well balanced opinion.
If we have more of Nisirs, I think we shall overcome our problem amicably.

Berta Nisir, Egziabher iske mechereshaw tsinatun yadilih.

“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” Matt.24: 13


Kale Hiwot Yasemalin!!!!!!!!

tad said...

Dear Tadamiwoch:
Don't tell me the,EOC, is different from Coptic because:
1. We have TABOT and they don't
2. We take off our shoes in the church and they don't .
3. They speak coptic(arabic) and we geez.
4.They eat pork meat, and we do't.
5.We circumcize our boys and they don't.
6. They don't read TAMIRE MARIAM every sunday and we do.
7. We have YAREDAWI ZEMA and they don't
8.We wear NETELA and they don't.
These all are localized differences. I am not undermining them, but at the same time I won't count them as a basic difference not to join Alexanderia.
But tell me about the historical annymositis we have we them like :
1.Abay.
2. Der-Sultan.
3.Their cheat on FITHA-NEGEST (BANNING ETHIOPIANS FROM BISHOPHOOD FOR 1600YRS)
4.Their rush to Eritrea to annoint a patriarch.
5. Butros Gali's role on the separation of Eritrea.
With things like these, I can understand why people are uncomfortable to go back to Alexanderia.
But, weighing our advantages and disadvantages, I am still for Alexanderia. Because our Menekosat are not ready for the leadership as the late Aleqa Lemma(Mengistu Lemma's father) put it 60yrs ago. He used to argue against the idea of letting the Ethiopian meneqosat being ordained as a bishops, because he said they don't like to learn and prepare themselves up to the job. After the rise of the late Abune Gorgorios of Shoa, you don't find a single menekuse who seems to be up to the job. I love my EOC church but at the same time I want my kids and grand kids to stay OrthodoxIf you don't like my argument le's come with some tangible package how to prepare ourselves to overcome those huge difficulties EOC is facing. I am open for dialogue.

May God give us His wisdom in this troubling time.

Anonymous said...

ደጀሰላማውያን ሰላመ እግዚአብሔር ይብዛላችሁ
አሁን ወደ ግብጽ ዓይኖቻችንን እንድናነሳ አሰተያየት የሰጡን ሰው መስመር ስለለቀቁ ወደ መስመርዎ ይመለሱ "ተሰሎንቄ ለምን ይናፍቅዎታል ? ለምን ዴማስን ይሆናሉ የሰው ወርቅ አያደምቅ ይላሉ አባቶቻችን" ስለግብጽ ቤተ ክርሰቲያን ሥርዓት ጉድለት ለሦስት ዓመት በሀገራቸው ሳይሆን ሌላ ሀገር ት/ቤት በነበርኩ ጊዜ ብዙ ነገር ተዝቤአለሁ ወደፊት በስፋት አቀርባለሁ ይህንን የምለው ሰውን ለመወንጀል ሳይሆን የራሳችንን ሥርዓት አጥብቀን እንያዝ ለማለት ነው

ወስብሐት ለእግዚአብሔር

ተዋሕዶ

Anonymous said...

ይህ ራስን የመሸጥና ማንነትን የመካድ ሴራ ጥንስሱ የተጠነሰሰው በከሀዲው ማህበረ ቅሉሳን ስለሆነ ለምናውቀው አይደንቀንም።
ሆኖን ውድ የኦርቶዶክስ ልጆች ይህ ቤተክርስቲያንን የማጥፋት ዘመቻ ስለሆነ."ጉዞ ወደ እስክንድርያ" የሚለው የመገንጠል ጉምጉምታ ንብ ለአጥር መርዶ ነግሮ እንደሚሔድ ከሀዲው ማህበረ ቅሉዳንም አስቀድሞ አዋጅ መናገሩ ስለሆነ ቤተክርስቲያንናአችሁን አደራ ከተኩላው ጠብቁ።

ሞት ለባንዳ

Anonymous said...

Tad,

If the Copts are different from the Ethiopian Church in all the points you raised, then how do you think can they give management on them? How can a Copt bishop who doesn't believe in Ark of Covenant bless an Ark and anoint a Church? You must understand that much of these things were done by Ethiopian monks in the past; and the Copt bishops anointed whatever "newayate Kidsat" in front of them because that was THEIR JOB (otherwise they will lose their gold and ivory); and not because they believed in it. Inviting them to bless what they don't believe is an insult to the Holy Spirit.

The problem with them is, they knowingly or unknowingly incline towards their ARAB identity. Their view is not totally pure on Jews. So, they view the Jewish background of the Ethiopian Church, not as a blessing, but as a failure. They are very similar with their Muslim country men with their phobia towards whatever is Jewish; you can't blame them. Because what they grow up hearing is sometimes more influential than what they learn in their Churches. That was why they were against Old Testament practices such as circumcision in Ethiopia; and they were also against the former 6 covenants (including Covenant of Melchi-Zedek- Tsebel Tsadik and Covenant of David- the Throne of Jesus Christ as "Moa Anbesa ze-emNegede Yehuda".)They were always in conflict with Abinet Memhran of Ethiopia and they always wanted to avoid discussion with them. What happened in Ethiopia today is a commulative effect of the past; and not just "ende wuha derash..."

Imagine an Ethiopian Church without the tradition of Tsebel Tsedik, Ark of Covenant, Circumcision, observance of menses periods, observance of what is eaten and not eaten, the deep love and respect to the symbol of Christ- the Lion of Judah, etc. (Don't tell me all these have passed. Because I know you wouldn't dare to throw your tabots out of your Churches or stop your tradition of Tsebel-Tsadik)Besides, some seemingly minor differences also have an impact in Canonical decisions. For example, the Egyptians believe St. Mary lived only for 58 years. We believe She lived for 64 years. The number 64 shows up in any Ethiopian Church symbolisms- for example:-

- the number of generations from Adam to Mary is 64
- the number of the total verses in Wudasie Maryam is 64
- the number of times Ethiopian fathers pray "Selam Leki" when they are in serious trouble is 64.
- The age at which Mary was given to Joseph and conceived Christ is believed to be 15; where as the Egyptians believe it was 12. That makes a difference on the whole teaching of the Ethiopian Church which says "Maryam ye Hewan kassa- Hewan ye 15 Amet Koreda hona tefetera befeteretu lay bametachiwu mot; emebetachin be 15 ametuwa getan tsensa ye Hewan medhanit honech". It also makes a difference on the mistre-tinsae mutan because we believe women are going to wake from death having the image of 15 year old girl.
- the list goes on and on....

All these differences come because of a "minor" difference between the Egyptian and the Ethiopian account of the age of Virgin Mary. You see how things go messed up?! So there is no "minor" difference we ignore of.

to be continued...

Berhanawit

tad said...

There are things I don't like about MK.Playing blame game too much But that has nothing to do with the burning issues our EOC facing now. If they are the one who are propagating this Alexanderian dream, I am for it unless there is something better.
Don't scare me with empty hands show me the money.

Anonymous said...

Continued....

Regarding Yaredawi zema- you must know that the Egyptians have no interest in Yaredawi zema and the Qene and Abinet Timihirt bet at all. That is not because they don't know it; but it is because they DON'T WANT to know it and they DON'T WANT IT TO EXIST because it is where the Pre-Christianity History of the Ethiopian Church lies. They were giving a hard time to Saint Yared in the 5th Century. That was why he didn't want to stay around Atse Gebre Meskel- and, instead chose to travel and teach. Later he joined other Ethiopian scholars who were pushed away from bete-kihnet by the Egyptians and went invisible just like them. (Tesewere)

Egyptians know how to present themselves in front of other Christians. They know how to appear flawless and merciful. They know how to communicate to the outer world with nice words and seemingly logical arguments. They know how to elevate their status by repeatedly telling a miracle and making it known to the world. They very much respect their image; but sometimes they worship it at the expense of others- just like what they did to the Ethiopian Church for the past 1600 years. That is why they still say "We established the Ethiopian Church" and they have managed to convince the world. That is why you thought they were exceptionally growing.

In short, they are good communicators; but that doesn't mean they are exceptionally spiritual. The legislation of Ethiopia to use Egyptian bishops for the past 1600 years was a lie; and they don't even repent. They still want to promote their Coptic hegemony; and if possible destroy the Jewish and the Pre-Jewish (Hege-Lebona) background of the Ethiopian Church. I am sure that is not what you want.

Berhanawit

tad said...

My earlier comment on Birhanawit's idea still holds. I am sorry to say that but please circumcision, pork meat, ... has nothing to do with chrisianity. I know it is good for the nationalistic identity, but not faith. Christian Faith is a global manifestation of God's plan for human redemption and eaternal life. Don't mix salvation with national identity. I am not saying we do't need national or church identity, but not at the expense of our salvation and eaternal life.
With respect.

Anonymous said...

To the Last anonymous,

please stop insulting Mahibere Kidusan for this. One thing for sure you know is MK has done whatever it could- baweqew begebaw meten. Somethings may be wrong and some may be right. But "yemaysera bicha newu yemaysasatewu"

So, stop spreading your poison in such occasions.

Berhanawit

Anonymous said...

Okay Tad,

Then, you must have the gut to convince the Ethiopian Christians to :-

- Eat pork, snake, donkey, etc (Well, the people around Yemrhane Kerstos monastery have a lot of things to tell you about this)

- To throw their Arks of Covenants or stop celebrating it (or at least believe that it has nothing to do with eternal salvation)

- To stop practicing circumcision

- To stop practicing "Tsebel Tsedeq"

- To stop interpreting Maryam as "Fitsum Ye Hewan kassa- ye 30 ametu golmasa Adamn yekase Geta be30 ametu tetemeke- ye 15 ametuwan Hewan yekasech emebet be 15 ametuwa getan tsenesech" and many other related interpretations

- To stop relating Noah's covenant with Ethiopian flag

- To stop relating the Lion of Judah with Christ (despite revelation 5)

.....

many things to teach; eh?

Let us see what the response of Ethiopians will be. I am sure you will need more than another 1600 years to teach all these to Ethiopians; because they never accepted the Egyptian bishops teaching on this, and they will never accept you.

Don't forget Paul's note:-

"Yemibela yemaybelawun aynaqew"

"manem yetegereze binor wede qolafenetu ayemelese"

and Christ's words:-

"maneme ketizazat anditun tanash bilo yemiyastemir ersu bemengiste semayat tanash yebalal"

"ke hig andit netib kemtwediq yileq semayna midr biyalfu yishalal"

Ethiopian Christians don't believe in REDUCTIONISM. Wanaw yihe new- lelaw tanash tizaz newu anelem. Hulun enfetsimalen. Erf yizo wedehuwala yemiyars yelemena.

Peace!

Berhanawit

ደጀ ሰላም said...

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tad said...

Dear Birhanawit;
Thank you for responding to my latst comment.
But the issue is this.
Regarding pork meat:
You don't have to eat or not to eat pork to be christain as long as you eat and drink the body and the blood of Christ. That is where we all are based and saved. I don't need to spend a second convincing the EOC believers to eat and not to eat.YEMAYBELAW YEMIBELAWN AYKONNEW, this is the reverse of what you quoted from St. Paul.
ARK OF THE COVENANT:
Throw away should't be the issue. The issue with this is knowing the right role of it.St Paul wrote in Hebrew 8:7 "For if that the first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for the second one" We all Orthodox Tewahido Christians have accepted and saved by this new covenant Math(26:26), Acts 8:26.
I am proud of my EOC heritage but by no means my long lived heritage override the new covenant's promise. Do we need Tabot in EOC, yes of course, as we use it for as a plate to celebrating the Holy communion.
Regarding Cicumcision:
In Galatians 2:3, tells us Ttus(Tito, Keseba huletu ardet)) was not circumcised. And I can quote a lot verses,but point is this is an Circumcision shows only Ethiopias old proctice of Judaisim and Islam for muslims.
Regarding Tsebel Tsadik:
I didn't get you point. Are you talking about the holy water we drink after we took the holy communion, most of the EOT members think this holy water is meant for everybody. But that is a mistake and it should be corrected in the future when we get the right Holy synod. This holy water is meant only for those who took the holy communion, that is it.If you meant Tsebel Tsadik the bread at deje selam that is also meant for the poor and need.
If you meant Tsebel metemek, that is a part of the seventh sacrament(kendil. I think I tried my best to explain.
Regarding St Marry:
Yehewan kassa, no doubt about this and the coptic church also teaches the same and I don't see the difference
Conclusion;after being undr the coptic church for 1600yrs, getting all our ordinations and blessings how come we say we are different. It is only 50yrs that Abune Baslios is ordained as the first patriarch. If Krlos,the one who ordained Baslios, is not Orthox enuogh, how come Abune Baslios is christin enough to be our patriarch.Please let's focus on sorting out our mess, if we can, if not journey to Alexanderia is inevitable.
God bless you all deje-selamawian

Anonymous said...

በሳይበር ኢትዮጵያ ዌብ ላይ ይህን ዌብሳይት የለጠፈ አንድ ተሳታፊ አየሁ፡፡ ኮፕቶች እመቤታችንን ጥንተ አብሶ አለባት ብለው እንደሚያስተምሩ አላውቅም ነበር፡፡ ካቶሊኮች እንኩዋን እንደዛ አይሉም፡፡

ተመልከቱት-

http://www.suscopts.org/q&a/index.php?qid=509&catid=203

ለማንኛውም ጠንቀቅ ማለት ነው!

ኢትዮጵያዊው

Anonymous said...

ደግሞስ እንዴት ሁሉንም ኦርቶዶክስ ወክለው “This concept [immaculate conception] is totally rejected by all the Orthodox churches because it is clearly against the teaching of the Holy Bible.” ሊሉ ቻሉ? አላዋቂ ሳሚ ንፍጥ ይለቀልቃል ራሳችውን ብቻ ቢወክሉ መልካም ነበር፡፡ እኛ ያለ ጥንተ አብሶ መወለዱዋን መቼ ነው reject ስናደርግ ያዩን?

ተገረሜያለሁ

ኢትዮጵያዊው ነኝ አሁንም

Anonymous said...

Dear Readers,
I recommend Every reader here to read a Book titled “ Come Across and Help Us”, Book 1 by the then coptic Physician who worked in Ethiopia during the time of Emperor Haile Sellasie and now His Grace Antonius Markos. He served in the Hospitals of Asmara, Debre Birhan and Addis Ababa Hospitals.
He was one of the pioneers in the establishment of Sunday School in Ethiopia. Being close to the church at that time, especially to HH Abune Basilios and Abune Tawifilos, he used to give various suggestions which the Church fathers at that time implemented.
The book talks about how the problem not only in the church but the in the Country as a whole started.
It talks about the Prophecy that was being said at that time in Ethiopia if the Ethiopian Orthodox church separates herself from the See of Saint Mark.
It talks about how the church fathers at that time didn’t implement the agreement that they signed between the Mother church and the Ethiopian Orthodox church.
I recommend to everyone to read the book and Judge what happened at that time and see what is happening now as a consequence of it.
My own Saying:
Most of us say we shouldn’t be ruled by an outsider. But I say, this is not politics. This is the saying of the early Church fathers. Our fathers have been under the Blessed see of Saint Mark for 1600 years. The whole Nation was blessed. The Monasteries, the Holy Monks, the priesthood, the entire congregation was heavenly and spiritual.
We shouldn’t look the matter of the Sprit in the eye of logic.
It is our duty to follow and obey His ways.
As some say, the Coptic church used to send one or two Bishops for the entire Nation. And Even the Bishop they send doesn’t know the language of the country. But the situation would have been different if we were under the see of Saint Markos. The Copitc Pope now is very well aware of the situation in Ethiopia and would have appointed Ethiopian Bishops not Coptic Bishops. But we would have lost the blessing of being under the Holy See and close patron of Saint Mark and Coptic Church.
Dear reader,
we are now being disconnected with so many Spiritual traditions and very essential Spiritual rites just because we distance ourselves away from the mother church. To mention a few: The rite of monkhood, the whole administration of monasteries, the selection and ordination to the priesthood, the administration of the patriarchate, the rite of preparing and administering some Church Sacraments , this are only a few.
All is a matter of Obedience. And we have seen how obedience bears a fruit of Blessing. We are a free and Independent Nation. But, it was the will of God that we Ethiopians be under the see of Saint Markos. If that is His will, we should accept.
This is a matter of Spirit. Nobody is superior to anybody. If they (Copts) or we (Ethiopians) think like this, both of us were /are wrong.

Anonymous said...

How do you say your son is christian, when you don't believe that the priest who baptizes you son is christian.There is no outlet for the argument of saying we are different. But we can debate if they can provide the leadership vacuum EOC has.

Anonymous said...

This is for the second last anon,
yes, this issue is politically as important as it is religiously for most in here. You want to sell or give up the independence of the church which Abune Petros and many other Ethiopian Orthodoxawians sacrificed for. It is sad our church Tewahido and our mother country Ethiopia has weeds like you. We don't care what the late doctor has written about our country and church, because as the brilliant Birhanawit pointed out, Egyptians are good at exaggerating and praising what is theirs while degrading the others, in this case Ethiopia as a country and her cultural 'Tiwfitoch'. The doctor probably was one of the many Egyptian spies who have been working in Ethiopia to create havoc in the country so that they can use Abay all alone. If your wish of getting back "under the sea of saint Markos" comes true, whatever that means and whoever Markos is, egpypt probably will try Ethiopian Abeyin kemeteqem le megezet. good thing Ethiopia is no longer under the siege of fools and zealous citizens. Grow up and take responsibility, belief in yourself that the challenge that we have faced today can be resolved by Ethiopia and Ethiopians only! yihe aliwatilh kale degimo, you can migrate to cairo anytime, at least i hope.

Once again, many thanks to Birhanawit. I have learned a lot from her writings, ye Ethiopia Amlak yibarkish once again, though i believe God will never listen my mirikat.

abel zeqedamawi said...

እንግዲህ ከላይ የተጻፈው ሳነብ ከራሴ ጋር እንደተለመደው ክርክር ጀመርኩ፤እውነት እስክንድርያ እናታችን? አደለችም ነችም ለማለት አልችልም ምክንያቱም ብዙ ጥናትን ምርምር ይስፈልገዋልና።የብርሃናዊት የአይደለችም አንድምታ ትንታኔ ግን አንዳንድ መሰረታዊ ስህተቶች አግንቼበታለሁ።
ከአትናትዮስ እና ከቄርሎስ በኋላ እስክንድርያ የኢትዮጵያ እናትነት አቁማለች ብለዋል። እውነቱ ግን ከነዚህ አባቶች በሁዋላም የኢትቶጵያ ቤተክርስቲያን በታሪኳ እንደ ማዕዘን ድንጋይ ሁለት አባቶችን በመሰረታዊነት ትጠቅሳቸዋለች። እስቲ ካነበብኩት ስለ እነዚህ አባቶች ላካፍላችሁ
1. ካልዓይ ሰላማ(መተርጎም ሰላማ)፦ ይህ አባት ወደ ኢትዮጵያ የመጣበት ዘመን በትትክክል ዓመተ ምህረቱም ባይታወቅም ነገር ግን የዮዲት ጉዲት ጥፋት ከተቋጨ ከጥቂት ዓመታት በሁዋላ መሆኑን መዛግብት ያስረዳሉ። ሰላማ መተርጉም ብዙ መጽሐፍትን ወደ ግእዝ መልሷል። እንደ ንቡረ እድ ኤርምያስ ያሉትን አጥፍቶ ነው ሌላ የተረጎመው እንደማትይኝ አደራ ፤ጉዲት ቤተክርስቲያንን ለአርባ ዓመታት ስታሳድድ የነበሩት ብዙዎቹን መጽሐፍት አውዳማ ነበር። የነ ቅዱስ ያሬድ መጽሐፍትን ጨምሮ በጠቅላላ በተሳቱ ቅዱሳን የተተረጎሙትም አያሌ መጽሐፍትን በእሳትና እንዲሁም አባቶቻችን ተሸክመው ከቦታ ቦታ ሲሸሹ በተለያዩ ምክንያቶች እንደተሰወሩባቸው ታሪክ ይነግረናል።ይህ አባት ከተረጎማችሀ በርካታ መጽሐፍ ውስጥ ዋናው ሐዲስ ኪዳን ነው። ከሐዲስ በተጨማሪም ግብረ ሕማማትን፣ገድለ አበከረዙን፣ገድለ አዝቂርን፣ድርሳነ ገላውዴዎስን፣ፊሊክስዩስ፣ገድለ ይስሐቅን፣ገድለ ዮስጦስን፣ገድለ ኖብን፣ድርሳነ ያዕቆብ ዘየሩሳሌምን፣ድርሳነ ያዕቆብ ዘሥሩግን፣አስተረእዮቱ ለዕንባቆምን፣ላሃ ማሪያምና እና እንዲሁም ሌሎችም መተርሙን ብዙዎችሁ ጸሐፍያን ተስማምተውበታል። የኢትዮጵያ ቤትተክርስቲያን ብዙ ሊቃውንት በዮዲት ጦርነት በሰማእትነት አልፈዋል። አባ ሰላማ መተርጉም ለቢተክርስቲያኒቱ በችግሯ ጊዜ ደርሶ አያሌ ሥራዎችን ሰርቶ አልፏል። ታድያ ይህ አባት ተሹሞ የተላከልን በቅዱስ ቄርሎስና በቅዱስ አትናትዮስ አይደለም፤ እነሱ ካለፉ ከብዙ መቶ ዓመታት በሁዋላ የተላከ አባት ነው። አሁን በእኛው በኢትዮጵያውያን አባቶች የዓላማ መሳትና የሆድ አምላክነት እንደመናየው ሁሉ ከቅብጥ(ኮብት ) ተልከው ይመጡ የነበሩ ብዙዎች አባቶች ተመሳሳይ ችግር እንደነበረባቸው ታሪክ ያስረድናል። በቁጥር ጥቂቶች ቢሆኑም ከግብጽ የመጡ በትትክክል ለተላኩበት ዓላማ ሳይስቱ ወንጌልን በማሥፋፋት ከኢትዮጵያውያን ሊቃውት እና ነገስታት ጋር በመሆን ብዙ ሰርተው ያለፉ አሉ። ከነዚህም ውስጥ አባ ሰላማ መተርጎም ነው።
2. ሰላማ ሦስተኛው(ሣልሣይ ሰላማ) ፦ እኚህ አባት ወደ ኢትዮጵያ የመጣው ዘመነ መሳፍንት ሊገባደድ አካባቢ ነው። ተዋህዶ ሐይማኖት ፈተና ላይ በነበረችበት ዘመን ነው፤ ወደ ሀገራችን የደረሰው። ጊዜው ቤተከርስቲያንን የቅባትና የጸጋ አራማጆች እያተራመሱዋት የነበረበት ወቅት ነው። ይህ አባት በመጣ በጥቂት ጊዜ ውስጥ የኢትጵያን ቋንቋ አጥርቶ መናገር እና ማስተማር መጀመሩን አባ ጎርጎርዮስ በመጽሐፋቸው መስክረውለታል። አባ ሰላማ ሣልሳዊ ተዋህዶ ሀይማኖትን በኢትዮጵያ ምድር ለማጽናት ማስተማር ጀመረ። ይህ በሚስጥረ ሥጋዌ ላይ የተነሳው ችግር “በመንፈስ ቅዱስ ተቀብቶ የባህርይ ወይም የጸጋ ልጅነት አገኘ” የሚሉትን ከሀድያንን በመመከት የተዋህዶ ሚስጥርን በሚገባ ማስተማሩን ታሪክ ይመሰክርለታል። አባ ሰላማ የተዋህዶ አርበኞችን በመያዝ ከጎንደር ወደ ትግራይ ተሰዶ ነበር። በትግራይም ከቅባቶች ዘንድ ብዙ ክክርክር ማድረጉና ድልም እንደነሳቸው መዛግብት ይነግሩናል። አጼ ቴዎድሮስ መሳፍንቱን አሸንፈው ኢትዮጵያን አንድ የማድረግ ህልማቸው ከፈጸሙ በሁዋላ ተዋህዶ ሀይማኖት እዲጸና ብዙ እንደሰሩ አቡነ ጎርጎርዮስ መስክረውላቸዋል።”አጼ ቴዎድዶሮስ ተዋህዶ ሀይማኖትን ከኢትዮጵያ፤ ኢትዮጵያን ከተዋህዶ ሀይማኖት ነጥለው የማያዩ ሀይማኖታዊና ብሄራዊ መሪ ነበሩ” የኢ/ቤ/ክ/ታሪክ ገጽ 66። አባ ሰላማም ይመኘው የነበረው እናደዚህ አይነት መሪ ስለነበር አብረው መስራት መጀመራቸ አቡነ ጎርጎርዮስ በታሪክ መጽሐፋቸ አስፍረውታል። አጼ ቴዎድሮስ ለአባ ሰላማ ሳልሳዊ የመንበረ ማርቆስ ትምህርተ ሀይማኖት ወይም ዶግማ በጽሁፍ እንዲያዘጋጅ አዘዙት። እርሱም ተዋህዶ ከቅባትና ከጸጋ የሚለይበትን ብቻ ሳይሆን ሌሎችን በሚገባቸ ከመጽሀፍ ቅዱስ እያጣቀሰ ነቅፎ አቀረበ። በዚህ የተደሰቱት አጼ ቴዎድሮስ የተዋህዶን እምነት ያልተቀበለ ከፍ ብሎ አንገቱን፤ ዝቅ ብሎ ባቱን ይቀጣል በማለት አወጁ። በዚህ አዋጅም አዝነውና ተስፋ የቆረጡ የተዋህዶ አማኞች ሲደሰቱ የካቶሊክ፤የቅባትና የጸጋ አራማጆች ግን እንደገና ሁከት እንደፈጠሩ ከላይ የጠቀሰው መጽሐፍ ይገላጻል። አባ ሰላማ ሳልሳዊ የኢትዮጵያ ቤተክርስቲያን በውስጥና በውጭ መነፍቃን እየተፈተነች ወቅት ተዋህዶ ሀይማኖንትን በማፅናት አያሌ ሥራዎችን አበርክቷል። ታድያ ይህ አባት በቅዱስ አትናትዮስም በቅዱስ ቂርሎስም ዘመን አይደለም ተሹሞ የተላከልን፤ነገ ግን የቅዱስ የወንጌ አላማ ስለገባው የሚችለው ሁሉ ለዚሁ አገልሎት ተጋ።
ሌላው ከብርሃናዊት ሀተታዎች ውስጥ የግብጽ ቤተክርስቲያን ታቦት አያውቁም የሚል አንድምታ አይቻለሁ፤ እውነቱ ግን ይህ አይደለም ። የግብጽ ቤተክርስቲያን ታቦተ ህግ አላቸው፤ ሥጋውና ደሙን የሚፈትቱት በታቦቱ ላይ ነው። ታቦቱንም “ሉሕ” ይሉታል። ያለሱ ሥጋውንና ደሙን አይፈትቱም። የኢ/ቤ/ክ/ታሪክ ገጽ 95 አቡነ ጎርጎርዮስ። እንደ ኢትዮጵያ ቤተክርስቲያን ለበዓላት ወይም ለንግስ ይዘው ወደ ውጪ ግን አይወጡም ይህም የእኛ ትውፊት ስለሆነ ነው።
ብርሃናዊት የግብጽ ቤተክርስቲያን የስላሴን የአካል ሦስትነት አይቀበሉም የሚልም ሀተታ አቅርበዋል፤ ምን ያህል ትክክለኛ ኖት? እኔ ከተለያዩ ድህረ ገጾቻቸውና መጽሀፍቶቻቸው ተመልክቻለሁ ነገር ግን ይህ ከእኛ ጋር የዶጎግማ አለመመሳሰል አላየሁም።
በመጨረሻ ማለት የምፈልገው ግን ለምንም ነገር በጥላቻ ባንነሳ ውጤቱ የተሻለ ይሆናል። በእርግጥም ብዙዎቹ ከግብጽ ቤተክርስቲያን ተሹመው የመጡ አባቶች በኢትዮጵያ ቤተክርስቲያን ላይ ብዙ ጥፋቶች አድርሰዋል። በ1600 ዓመት ጉዞም 110 (አንድ መቶ አስር) ጳጳሳትም ተሹመው መጥተዋል። ሁሉንም በአጠቃላይ ምንም ያበርከቱት አስተዋጾ የለም ካልን ግን የደጋዶቹን አጽም እንዳይፋረድን እሰጋለሁ።
ኢትዮጵያ ከአብራኳ የወጡ የራሷ ልጆች በሊቀ ጵጳስና ደርጃ ማግኘት ከጀመረች 80 ዓመት፤ በራሷ ፓትርያርክ መመራት ከጀመረችም ደግሞ 50 ዓመት። እንግዲህ ከ1921 ዓ.ም ጀምሮ እስከ አሁን ድረስ 132 ኢትዮጵውያን ጳጳሳት ተሹመዋል። እንዲህ ቤተክርስቲያናችን በዚህ በ80 ዘመን እንደታሰበው መሰርታዊ ለውጡ እንዴጥ ነው? የቤተክርስቲያናችን ሁለንተናዊው እድገት ከ1600 ዘመን 110 ጳጳሳትና፤ ከ80 ዘመን 132 ጳጳሳ ስናነጻጽረው የትኛው ይሻል ይሆን? መልሱን ለደጀ-ሰላማውያን ትቼዋለሁ
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Anonymous said...

Is it worth the schism within ourselves to be independent of the Sea of St. Mark? Is it worth the animosity within the children of the Ethiopian Orthodox faith in all corners of the world? Is it worth the despicable spectacle of few bishops to hold on to 'power'? ... I leave the answer to the readers? But it is important to note that many church scholars were against the move to autocephaly, and the fact that some consider it wrong to this day reflects the frustration of the faithful with the utter disregard of the bishops for the faith and the faithful they were entrusted to keep and protect. So, let us not direct our anger to our difference of opinion. Rather, it is the events of the past couple of weeks that we should focus on and blame for the bickering among the faithful today. The church needs a leader, a competent and faithful leader who understands the spiritual needs and direction of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. How can we turn our frustration from against each other to against the forces that are threatening the 'existence' of the church? How can we collaborate and effect a fruitful outcome that pleases God?

God Bless our EOTC.

tad said...

Please,please debate not dictate. Come up with flesh and bone.
Since we got our bishophood(50yrs)
Do you know that
1. The first Ethiopian Archbishop of EOC the late Abune Yohannes( Memhir Haddis Tekle of Addis Alem)was forced to resign by Eteghe Betre Giorgis( Abune Baslios), after he came back from exile.
2. Abune Theofilos was killed by dergue in collaboration with the then bishops and clergies.
3.And Abune Teklehaimanot was annointed as a patriarch while Abune Theofilos was in jail.
4. Abune Merkorios was forced in to exile and Abune Paulos was annointed.
5. Look at the quality of our bishops we have now. I don't think they even know some of the basic doctrines of our church, let alone defend it.I can raise a lot issues in the future.
So, that is why I am losing my cofidence on the MENEKOSAT we have.Are you saying we can fix all those problems in the future? how???? Tell me and I will believe you, otherwise I don't have to go to Cairo, this is spiritual issue and the holyspirit is every where.
Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Qedamawi,Aleqa Ayalew Tamiru sile gibitsawian yetnagerut kal ebakih tsafiln.Akibarih Abebe negne.

Salem said...

Personally I don't like the appearance of this topic at this time. It let us off the current burning issue and talk about Coptic Church. Why don't we come back and face the enemy in our church until defeated. This topic diverts our direction to less important target. Please brothers and sisters come back and do something good to our mother church. No retreat no surrender!

Anonymous said...

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ምሳሌዎች :-

ምሳሌ 1:

- Official History- መንግሥቱ ኃ /ማርያም በኢትዮጵያ የመሬት ላራሹን ጥያቄ ተከትሎ አብዮታዊ ለውጥ መደረግ እንዳለበት በማመናቸውና : ጨቋኙንና በዝባዡን የፊዩዳል ሥርዓት ለመገርሰስ በቁርጠኝነት ከሌሎች የትግል አጋሮቻቸው ጋር በመነሳታቸው : አብዮታዊው ትግል ተፋፍሞ : አሮጌው ሥርዓት ተገርስሶ : የኢትዮጵያን ብሔር ብሔረሰቦች ያማከለ አስተዳደር በኢትዮጵያ ሰፍኗል :: ሃገሪቱም ከሌሎች ሃገራት ጋር ያላት ግንኙነት ዳብሯል (ኮንጎ ...ኮርያ ...ኩባ ...ራሽያ ...) አንድነቷ ተጠናክሯል : ተንቀው የነበሩ ብሔረሰቦችም ለመጀመርያ ጊዜ ወደመድረኩ ብቅ እንዲሉ ሆኗል ......
Unofficial History- መንግሥቱ ኃ /ማርያም ምንም እንኩዋ ለኢትዮጵያ አንድነት ቢቆረቆርም : በሥልጣን ጉዳይ ከመጡበት የማያስተናግድ ጨካኝ አምባገነን ወታደር በመሆኑ የገዛ የትግል አጋሮቹን ሳይቀር አንድ በአንድ ፈጅቶ .......

ምሳሌ 2:

- Official History - ብጹዕ ወቅዱስ አቡነ ጳውሎስ ፓትርያርክ ርዕሰ ሊቃነ ጳጳሳት ዘኢትዮጵያ ወእጨጌ ዘመንበረ ተክለሃይማኖት ሊቀጳጳስ ዘአክሱምና የዓለም አብያተ ክርስቲያናት የክብር ፕሬዚዳንት : የኢትዮጵያ ቤተክርስቲያን ራሷን በራሷ ማስተዳደር ከጀመረችበት ጊዜ ጀምሮ 5ኛው ጳጳስ ሲሆኑ : በቤተክህነት ትምህርታቸው ልቅም ያለች ትምህርትን የቀሰሙ : እንዲሁም በአሜሪካ ዩኒቨርስቲ ሳይቀር ተምረው ዶክትሬት በመያዝ አንቱ የተባሉ : የኢትዮጵያን ቤ /ክ በዓለም መድረክ ለማስተዋወቅ ትልቅ ክህሎት የያዙ ሲሆኑ : ፕትርክናውን ከጨበጡበት ጊዜ አንስቶ በርካታ ሥራዎችን አከናውነዋል :: ለምሳሌ - በቀደመው መንግሥት ተወርሰው የነበሩ የቤተክርስቲያኗ ሕንጻዎች ተመልሰዋል : በዘመናቸው በአፍሪካ : በአውሮፓ : በእስያና : በአሜሪካ በርካታ አብያተ ክርስቲያናት ተመሥርተዋል : በርካታ መንፈሳውያን መጻሕፍት ታትመዋል ... ሌላው ቀርቶ ; ቤተክርስቲያኒቱ የራሷን መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ አሳትማለች .....
- Unofficial History - አቡነ ጳውሎስ የኢትዮጵያን ቤተክርስቲያን ከግብጽ እጅ አውጥተው ወደባሰችው ሁለት ባሕርይ አማኝ ወደ ሮም ቅኝ ግዛት በመወርወር በማናለብኝነት ሊቃውንትን አግልለው በፈላጭ ቆራጭነት በመምራት : ከአምባገነኑ መንግሥት ጋር ተባብረው የኢትዮጵያን ሕዝብ መከራ አብዝተውበታል :: በዘመናቸው ብዙ ኢትዮጵያዊ ወደ ተለያዩ አህጉሮች ተሰድዶ ሲኖር : በያለበት የሰላም አየር ተንፍሶ እግዚአብሔርን እንኩዋ እንዳያመሰግን : የብልሹ አመራራቸው ጦስ ባህር ተሻግሮ እየመጣ ሰላም ሲነሳው ኖሯል .... ከመቼውም በላይ አንድነትና ፍቅር የቀዘቀዘበት ሲሆን : እርስ በርስ በመጣላት አብያተ ክርስቲያናትን እንደድርጅት በየቦታው መክፈት በዘመናቸው በጣም ጎልቶ የታየ ነገር ነው .....

እሺ ... እንግዲህ ልብ ብለህልኛል : አይደል ?

ወደነ ሰላማ ታሪክ እንምጣ :-

Anonymous said...

- Official History - ንዑስ ሰላማ (ያንተኑ በጥቂቱ ላምጣው ...) ብዙ መጻሕፍትን የተረጎሙና በዮዲት ጉዲት ወረራ ማግሥት መጥተው ከመከራ ያተረፉን ባለውለታችን ሲሆኑ : ገድለ ኖብ : ገድለ አበከረዙን : ግብረ ሕማማትን እንዲሁም ሌሎችን መተርጎሙን ብዙዎች ይስማሙበታል ::
- Unofficial History - ንዑስ (ካልኣይ) ሰላማ የሚባል ጳጳስ ከእስክንድርያ ተሹሞ የመጣው ከርሱ በፊት የመጣው የመጀመርያው ከግብጽ የተላከው ጳጳስ ሚናስ (አቡነ ሰላማ ከነዚህ በፊት ናቸው ) የኢትዮጵያው ቤተክህነት ተቃውሞት ባልታወቀ ምክንያት ከሞተ በሁዋላ (ማለትም በ 5ኛው መቶ ክፍለ ዘመን መጀመርያ አካባቢ ) ነው :: ሰላማ ብለው የሰየሙትም ኢትዮጵያውያኑ አይቀበሉት ይሆናል በሚል ፍርሃቻ በአባ ሰላማ ከሳቴ ብርሃን ዓይን እንዲያዩት ተብሎ ነበር :: ዐረብኛ በኢትዮጵያ ሥራ ላይ እንዲውል : ካሁን በሁዋላ ነገሥታት አጼ የሚለው ማዕረግ እንዲቀር (አልተሳካለትም ): እና የአክሱም ቤተክህነት (ተዋሕዶ የሚለውን ስም ለመጀመርያ ጊዜ አርቅቆ : መልእክተ ዮሓንስንና ወንጌለ ዮሓንስን አጣቅሶ ተዋሕዶን ሃይማኖት ያስባላት የነባለ አእጋረ ፀሓዩ ተክለሃይማኖት ቤተክህነት ) እንዲሰደድና ብዙ መቅሰፍት በአክሱም ዙርያ እንዲመጣ ምክንያት የሆነ የተንኮሎች ሁሉ ጀማሪ ነው :: ለቤተክህነቱ መባረር ምክንያት የሰጠውም - የተዋሕዶ አስተምህሮ የአውታኪ አንድ ባሕርይ (Monophysism) ትምህርት ነው እንጂ ጤነኛ ትምህርት አይደለም ብሎ ንጉሡን አላሚሪስዮስን በወቅቱ ለማሳመን በመቻሉ ነው ::

- Official History - ዮዲት ጉዲት ከሞተች በሁዋላ ኢትዮጵያ ተመልሳ ክርስትናዋን ለማጠናከር በጣም ደክማ : የዮዲት ጦስ አልለቅ ብሏት ... ያኔ ያጣችው ሰላም እስካሁን አልተካ ብሎ .... ከዚያ በሁዋላ የመጡት የግብጽ ጳጳሳት የኢትዮጵያን ቤተክርስቲያን መልሶ ለማቋቋም ሲለፉ ሲለፉ ሲሠሩ ሲሠሩ ....
- Unofficial History - ከጨካኟ ዮዲት በሁዋላ የነገሰው ባለቤቷ መራ ተክለሃይማኖት ሲሆን : እርሱም ተሹሞ የነገሠው በኤጲስ ቆጶስ ነበር :: እርሱም የዛጉዌ ሥርወ -መንግሥት መሥራች ሲሆን : ራሱ ዛጉዬ እየተባለ በአገዎች ይጠራ ነበር :: የዮዲት ብስጭት ከየት እንደመነጨ በተገቢ ሁኔታ የተረዳ ሲሆን : ግብጾች : ሮማውያን : አርመናውያን : ሶርያውያን ወይም ሌሎች : ከኢትዮጵያ አስተምህሮ ሌላ የራሳቸውን ሥረ -ዋጾች እያመጡ እንዳያቦኩ መንገድ ዘግቶ የዮዲትን አቅጣጫ የሳተ ብስጭትና በቀል ያስተካከለና ወላፈኑን ያበረደ ነው :: በዘመኑ ሁሉም ሕዝብ ተቀብሎት ንጉሥነቱን አጽድቆለት የተገዛለት ሲሆን : እርሱም በኢትዮጵያ 40: 40 ዓመት የዘመነ -ሥልጣን ገደብ እንዲሆን አውጆ : የተጣመመውን አቃንቶ : የተለያዩ ጎሳዎችን አስማምቶ : ለሙስሊሞች ሳይቀር ነጻነትን ሰጥቶ በሰላም ገዝቶ ያለፈ ነው :: የርሱ ልጅ ጠጠውድም - በአባቱ ሚስት በዮዲት የፈረሰውን ያቀና ሲሆን : በርሱ ዘመን ኩስ ኩስ እያለ የመጣው ግብጻዊውን ጳጳስ አባ ጴጥሮስን በሰላም ቢቀበለውም : ሕዝቡ ግን ስለተቃወመ በጵጵስናው ሳይጸና ቀርቷል :: ከሱ በሁዋላ የተተኩት የግብጽ ጳጳሳትም : ከአንዳንድ መነኮሳትና የግል ጥቅም የተነካባቸው ከበርቴዎች በቀር : ሕዝቡና የዛግዌ ነገሥታት (እነ ነአኩቶ ለአብ : እነ ሐርቤ : እነ ላሊበላ : እነ ጃን ስዩም ...) ክህነትን ከንግሥና እያስተባበሩ : ኢትዮጵያን ሰላም አርገዋል : ቤተክርስቲያንንም በመንፈሳዊነት ብቻ ሳይሆን : በትውፊት : በሥነ -ሕንጻ : በኪነ -ጥበብ : በስደተኞች ማረፊያነት የተመሰገነች አድርገዋት አልፈዋል :: የሚገርመው : በዘመናቸው የአንዳንድ በሽተኛ መነኮሳትን ፍላጎት ለማሙዋላት ከግብጽ ጳጳሳት ሲመጡ ቢቀበሉዋቸውም : ጳጳሳቱ የፈለጉትን ያህል ተሰሚነት ሳያገኙ : እንዲያውም ተዋርደውና በሥነምግባርም ዘቅጠው ወርቅና ብር እየዘረፉ የሚሄዱበት ጊዜ ሆኖ ነበር :: በአጼ ሐርቤንግሥና ዕለት : ቀብቶ የሚያነግሳቸው ግብጻዊ ጳጳስ ባይኖርም : እግዟአብሔር በጥበቡ ናዝራዊ ባሕታዊን ልኮላቸው እንደሳሙኤል ቀንድ ቅባቱ ገንፍሎ ተቀብተው ሊነግሱ ችለዋል ::

በጣም ብዙ አዲስና እንግዳ ታሪኮች .....አይደል ?

የደቂቀ እስጢፋኖስንና የአባ ሚካኤልና የአባ ገብሬልንም ጉዳይ ለመተንተን ጊዜው ቢኖረኝ በተመኘሁ ...

Anonymous said...

(ከብርሃናዊት - ለአቤል ዘቀዳማዊ 3rd Part)

ዋናው ነጥቤ :-

Official history እና unofficial history... በኢትዮጵያ ይህን ያህል ተራርቀው ኖረዋል :: ታሪካችንን አስመልክቶ ስንማር ያደግነው ሌላ ...እውነቱ ሌላ ! እንኩዋን ለኔ መሰሏ ጨዋ ያልተማረች ቀርቶ : የተማሩትም እነ አባ ተስፋ ሥላሴ ሞገስ በ 1995 ዓ .ም ግብጽ ለስብሰባ ሄደው በምሥጢረ ሥላሴ ጉዳይ ከኮፕቶች ጋር እንደማንስማማ ሲያውቁት "ይህ አዲስ ምዕራፍ ይመስለኛል " ብለው በድንጋጤ ከትበውታል :: ጉዳዩንም በዝርዝር ለአቡነ ጳውሎስ ማሳወቃቸውንም ይፋ አድርገዋል :: አቡነ ጳውሎስ ግን በመረጃው ላይ ተኝተውበታል :: ለምን ? እንጃ ! አቡነ ጳውሎስ እንደሚያስተጋቡት ዓይነት የእመቤታችን ጥንተ አብሶ ጉዳይም ከላይ እንዳየኸው በሌላ አስተያየት ሰጪ የተከተበ ጭምር ነው ::

ታሪክን አስመልክቶ እውነቱን ከሐሰት በምን እንለያለን ?

መልስ - "አሁን የት ነን ?" በሚለው ምርምር

Official History ነው ወይስ Unofficial History ነው "አሁን "ን የሚሰጠን ? አስተውለን ብናይ አሁን ቤተክርስቲያናችንና ሃገራችን ያለችበት ሁኔታ የUnofficial History ውጤት ነው :: ከብዙ ምሳሌዎች አንዱን ባነሳ - ለ 1600 ዓመት ያህል በከባድ መስዋዕትነት የቆየው የኢትዮጵያና የግብጽ የጵጵስና ግንኙነት የተፈለገውን ያህል ግብጽንና ኢትዮጵያን አንድ ሳያደርግ ማለፉ ነው :: ኢትዮጵያ "ሂዱልኝ " አታውቅም :: "ኑልኝ በሞቴ " ናት :: ግብጽን ግን : ከነዛጉዬ ነገሥታት ጀምሮ : ከዛ በፊትም በነአባ ሰላማ ጊዜ "ሂዱልኝ " ስትላቸው ኖረች :: በነዛ ሁሉ ምዕተ ዓመታት ውስጥ አንድ መሆን ካቃታቸው - እውነትም አንድ አልነበሩም :: ሁሌ ንጭንጭ ..ሁሌ ብጥብጥ ... ያውም አንድ ፍትሃ ነገሥት ላይ በሥረዋጽ በገባ ሐረግ ምክንያት - ያውም ያለ ምንም ምክንያት - ጵጵስናን በመከልከል - እግዚአብሔር ፈጽሞ የማያደርገውና የማይመስል ነገር ! አንድም ቃለ -እግዚአብሔር ሊጣቀስለት የማይችል ሽፍን የግብጻውያን ፍርድ ! 318ቱን ሊቃውንት ያላሉትን አሉ በሚል ኢትዮጵያውያን ባልተገኙበት ስለኢትዮጵያ የተዶለተ በማስመሰል የተቀነባበረ ፈጠራ ! ፈጠራም እንኩዋ ባይሆንና ተወስኖ የነበረ ቢሆን ኢትዮጵያውያን ባልተገኙበት ስለነርሱ አስተዳደር በጭፍን ምክንያት ሳይጠቀስ : አንድ መንፈስ ላይ ተደርሶ በፍቅር ሳይግባቡበት መወሰን ማንም የማይችል በመሆኑ በምንም አቅጣጫ ጨርሶ የማይመስል ነገር !

ያለፈቃዷ የተጫነባት ቀንበርም : በወቅቱ በእውነተኞች ኢትዮጵያውያን መሪዎች መሰበር ሲኖርበት : በይዋል ይደርና በቸልተኝነት ምክንያት ቆይቶ ቆይቶ ...ጠንዝቶ ጠንዝቶ ... የፈለገውን ያህል ከተጫወተብንና ከተዝናናብን በሁዋላ : ለሥውሩ ቀንበር ለሮማ ቅኝ ግዛት ትቶን በኩራት አላግጦብን ተሰናብቷል :: ለኛ ግን "ነጻ ወጥተናል ":: "አሁን "ን ስናየው ግን : ነጻ ነን ወይ ? ፍርዱን ለሁላችን ሕሊና !

እና አሁን ቤተክርስቲያናችን ይህ ሁሉ ማጥ ውስጥ የገባችው : ከ 1600 ዓመት ቀንበር በመላቀቋ ሳይሆን : ወደባሰው የሮማ ቀንበር ቀስ በቀስና በሥውር በመተላለፏ ነው :: እነ አቡነ ተክለሃይማኖትን የመሰሉ የዋሐን ጳጳሳት በዚህ ውስጥ ቀጥተኛ ትብብር ባይኖራቸውም : የሥውሩ እጅ አቀነባባሪ የጥፋት መልክተኞች ግን በዙርያቸው እንደነበሩ ግልጽ ነው :: ማስረጃችን - ዛሬ ላይ ያለንበት ሁናቴ ነው :: ትናንት ያልዘራነውን ዛሬ አላጨድንም ::

Official story and Unofficial History...!

That was all it was about!

ብርሃናዊት

hiwot said...

To bihanawit, tad, & others.
I am happy that we have eotc followers who read a lot & try to explian about copt either postively or negatively.
My qustion is is this the time to get worried about it? or you just want to use the opprtunity.
We really have huge problem that needs a prayer & solution so why do not you use your time by proposing a solutoin for the current issue.
Let me be clear i am not saing it is not important to raise it but the timing is not right.
May God be with us.

Anonymous said...

Hiwot:-

I have clearly pointed out my suggestion as a solution everywhere else. Get the Church out of the custody of either Romans or Greeks or Copts; and listen to the teachings of the late Aleqa Ayalew and the present day Nibure-Id Ermias Kebede.

UNLESS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM IS ADDRESSED THERE IS NO REAL SOLUTION. Ethiopian Church should be led by Ethiopian Tewahedo Believers; and not Greek Orthodoxes (like the Tehadsos- who mostly are the Greek Seminary attendants) or the Roman Catholics (the likes of Abune Paulos)

I think I have made a suggestion clearly. Paying attention and either accepting or not is the responsibility of the reader.

Berhanawit

Abel zeqedamawi said...

To Birhanawit
i thank you for the respose. i got your point of view about Ethiopian history in general and history of EOTC in particular. i am tried to read Nibure Ed Ermias books and i also read Abune Gorgoriwos books.Basically Abune Gorgoriwos books have a lots of evidence and more secular. but those Nibure Ed Ermias Books are oral history and tradtional. do you think Nibure Ed is a Prophete? i read also Professor Getache Haile book's about Dekik Estifanos. so we are rich in history but we need more research to avoid those official and unofficial confusing story about our church and country.
If you have time please read Abune Gorgoriwos books. i used to confused by some books those written by any evidence.
i really thank you for all

tad said...

To Abel zeqedamawi:
I think you sound to me logical and thoughtful. "Greek seminarian..." Birhanawit is missing the point here.

Anonymous said...

Abel:

Niburei-Id Ermias wrote nothing about the history of each of the Egyptian Patriarchs. He only wrote some of the changes made by Egyptian Patriarchs; and didn't write about the patriarchs themselves and their history. I am writing to you from books of other Church scholars such as Aba Tesfa Sellasie Moges. What Nibure Id wrote is mostly about the Seven Covenants and the writings are based on biblical words and not oral traditions.

And I don't think Nibure Id is a prophet because; as per his words, "there is no prophecy and prophet, philosophy and philosopher or any other kind of 'messiah' or 'savoir' after Lord Jesus Christ"; and I agree with him.

The other point is- Abuna Gorgorewos is a very good and educated writer. But some of things included in his book are wrong; and his mistakes are honest mistakes (that means, he didn't do it intentionally and he had no negative motive). For that, some Church scholars were giving suggestions to him (for example, he wrote about seb'a segel as "suba'e yalteqoterelachew tinbit yaltenegerelachew") and that was a wrong and misleading story created by Ethiopia's adversaries-since Prophet Dawit clearly prophecized about that. He was having a discussion regarding this according to the suggestions of some liqawente betekerstian; and before any further corrective action was made, he died of an accident. May his blessings be up on us!

That is what that is.

Berhanawit

tad said...

To Birhanawit:
"Abune Gorgorious made an honest mistake", don't go around the bushes, be clear and direct. It is he who wrote clearly and straight forward about the pork meat, circumcision,Tabot,...where most of our traditional scholars used to confuse the The old and New Testamen(Judaism and Christianity). If, as you claim,the Coptic church fathers,who ordained our bishops,priest(aleqa ayalew,nibure ed)and deacons for centuries in EOC, I am not,you are not,aleqa wasn't, and nibure ed is not orthodox and there can't exist any EOC.

Anonymous said...

Tad,

Eskndrya was originally blessed by fathers such as Markos, Qerlos, Athnathewos and Diosqoros. The other bishops who came later have sometimes followed the true teaching and other times betrayed it. But mostly, they betrayed it. That is why we are now at the stage of seeing DOGMATIC differences in issues such as Holy Trinity and Immaculate Conception of Mary.

Regarding the legacy of the ordination given by Egyptian bishops, you should know that the legacy had not been solely in the hands of the Egyptian papas; rather in the hands of many others too- most influentially the Echege and other synod members. The Egyptian synod simply accepts and ordains who is put in front of him by traditional scholars, Echeges and Nibure Ids etc. And often times, religious disputes were settled not by the Egyptian bishops, but by the Echeges and the traditional scholars.

Remember that there were priests who have accepted their ordination legacy from none-Egyptian sources. The best example is Abune Teklehaymanot. He was originally ordained by Abuna Qerlos; but later, He was ordained by Jesus Christ Himself "Hawaryatn beshomkubet shumet shomkuh". He was also the first Ethiopian Echege to ordained King Yikuno Amlak; 12 Nibure-Ids and about 43 Saint Church scholars as priests. That is why we proudly claim our legacy from "Menbere Teklehaymanot"; it is legitimate and proper. And it is only recently that the position of Echege is taken by the Patriarch Himself.

So, the question is, whether each Egyptian bishop was in compliance with what was religiously claimed and asserted by all the "synod" and more importantly the Echeges of Debre libanos and the Nibure-Ids of Axum. If they weren't, that always was a problem for them; and their only supporter often times was the government and some higher official monks (just like the today's mafia group) who have power to write wrong stories and propaganda. (And of course the Egyptians often times weren't in compliance with Ethiopian scholars; that is why we stopped our relation with them.)

But, for us, we always had the legitimate legacy because the congregation of all the scholars, the Echeges, the Niburane Ids etc... is more than the single power the Bishop had. We are arguing that the power of the congregation (Synod) has more power than the Patriarch. It is hard to accept only for people like Abuna Pawlos.

Berhanawit

Anonymous said...

Selam lekilkimu,
I have a question for you brothers and sisters who post articles and comments on this or other web sites regarding Ehiopia and the Ethiopian Church.
Do you really know why Ethiopia and EOTC are under going such challenging times and ofcourse punishment for the last 35 years?
The answer is because we spilt the blood of two prominent figures who spent their whole life for Ethiopia and the Ethiopian church.The first one is His Emperial Magesty Hailesilassie I.So often His Magesty's accomplishments are untold, instead, he is blamed for things that went wrong during his time which actually were not his doings nor negligence but quensequences of the level of civilization and inherited systems.GOD know how much Hailesilassie worked hard to change the old system and introduce modernization to that country.The most surprising thing is todate the oldest and largest university in Ethiopia was established by Hailesilassie,the oldest and the largest air lines was founded by him,the largest printing press was established by him,and so on and on. It takes time to enumerate all he did to his country. you count the rest.And when we see what he has done to the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, it is really huge! Today, our holy fathers quarrel over the holy synod and one another because they forget the sacrifice paid by His Magesty to make this church self reliant and independent.On the contrary, they have been part and parcel of those regims that shed the blood of innocent citizens His Magesty being one.Who orders the holy bible to be translated in to Amharic? what about prayer books? printing press for the church,the establishment of holy trinity cathedral and a lot of other churches,again, I have no time to list all his good deeds to the church.The sad story is ,however,Atse Hailesilassie does not have any thing dedicated to his memory despite the great works he has done to his country and his church.So,his blood is sueing us before GOD.One of the greatest leaders of his time is deprived of at least a memorial statue.This ,I believe,has brought curse to the country as well as to the church.For those of us who believe in religion,this is not new nor hard to see since we know a lot of similar stories in the holy book and elsewhere.When injustices are perpetrated against GOD's people,he avenges their enemies be it a person or people.That is what happened now to Ethiopia and to our Church!
The other churh father whose blood is sueing us before the almigthy GOD is his Holiness Abune Tewoflos.His Holiness' vision to the Ethiopian church was incredible.He introduced the bylaw of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church known as kaleAwade.Even though he is killed mistriously in jail, the Almighty GOD know by who and how he was murdered.
My whole point in this comment is that as long as we refuse to repent for the sins and injustices we and our generation committed,things will not get better.

Anonymous said...

To the last Anonymous,

The Kale Awadi was actually written by Nibure-Id Ermias Kebede Wolde Iyesus; and people denied his contribution to get favor in front of Abuna Tewoflos. So, they ignored Nibure Id and announced it to be by the name "Abuna Tewoflos" right there at the commencement of the book.

That is just for correction.

Regarding Atse Haile selassie, definitely he has done lots of things. But he was warned by many church fathers to stop the unholy alliance with other "churches" in the name of Cooperation, ecumenism and diplomacy. He never listened. He was later avoided by the generation that were educated poisonously by the same foreigners that he desperately wanted to relate with.

However, I agree that he never deserved the harshness of our generation.

Berhanawit

tad said...

Dear Birhanawit:
I like the way you put your debate now,eventhough I don't agree with some of your points. Well, in principle I have no doubt that God can elevate any body to the sainthood regardless of his/her clerical status. As a matter of fact our beloved lady,St. Marry, mother of God, is neither bishop,priest nor deacon.I can agree with you that there were a lot of Coptic bishops who were sent to Ethiopia for some political and financial motives and as a consequences of that have done a lot of unbearable damages to our church and country. But that shouldn't make us so bitter and self denying where we establish some different criteria to explain ourselves.
Let me make some issues clearly.
Were there a lot of saints in EOC in the last 2000yrs?, of course there were, and there are a lot of them as we debate now. Does every body need to be a bishop to attain a sainthood status? of course not , that is, because some body has attained sainthood won't automatically gaurantee him a bishophood, priesthood or deaconhood
status. Both,clergies and saints have to come from different angles, eventhough most of the times these angles coincide.
Let us be led by principle and not invite chaos and anarchy in to our EOC doctrine and history. Let us contain our emotions and frustration so that we may not radicalize and localize our christianity.
With respect and regards for all EOC members.
and

Melkamu said...

Can anyone give us answers to the following questions?

1. When did the Egyptian Coptic Church use to send "Muslim" bishops to Ethiopia? Who were they? How did the Ethiopian Church find out about it?

2. Why was a separate "Eritrean Orthodox Church" created?

God bless you!

Anonymous said...

Tad,

I didn't get your point. Are you saying Abuna Teklehaymanot is a saint but not a bishop? And do you think he was an anarchist for ordaining priests and Niburane-Ids in Ethiopia?

Would you please clarify that briefly?

Berhanawit

Anonymous said...

Melkamu,

There are three bishops which have different relationship with Muslims. Three of them came with a false letter (not directly from Eskndrya bishop) and one of them came directly ordained by the bishop of Eskndrya.

1. Aba Minas - He came as christian during the reign of TeTewudim (the second in Zaguwe dynasty). But he brought a false letter. After he took what he wanted (the gold and other precious gifts), he went back to Cairo, and became a Muslim.

2. Aba Fiqtor - wasn't Muslim. But he came with Aba Minas as "Epis Qopos" and quarreled with Aba Minas to share the gold. He was frustrated because he couldn't get the share of gold, so he told the truth to the king about the conspiracy of the false letter to take the gold.

3. "Abuna Qerlos"- is a Muslim who brought a false letter after the reign of Jan Seyoum and Germa Seyoum. (During their time, a declaration was made that from now on, there should be no bishop coming from Egypt). During that time, the Muslim King of Egypt was angry because he will not get the gold if he didn't send the bishop by his permission. So he got ready to get another bishop sent from menbere-Eskndrya.

4. Abuna Sawiros - the copic bishop, who was Christian, but was in favor of the Muslims. He was ordained as bishop Qerlos II. When he came to Ethiopia, Abdulahi ("Abuna Qerlos") ran away with the gold, and when he went to Egypt, he was killed by the Muslims and they took the gold.

Abuna Sawiros came to Ethiopia during the rain of Del Ad and ordered the teaching of Arab languages and started building Mosques everywhere. He encouraged the teaching of Quran.

The Ethiopian Christians were angry and asked the bishop why. He said "I believe in one God and whoever believes in one God, I accept". He was imprisoned by the King. But the King of Egypt was angry because Abuna Sawiros was imprisoned. He said "I will destroy the Churches in Egypt" and King Del Ad said "I will block river Abay if you destroy any church in Egypt". The king of Egypt apologized. But some Ethiopian Monks, who love the Copts very much, were angry at Del Ad. They wrote lots of bad things about him and never counted him among the kings of Zagwe dynasty. Why? I don't know! They were crazy!

Your question about the Eritrean Orthodox Church has clear answer. Their Church separated because the country seceded. They used to come on foot to some celebration of Ethiopian monasteries like Kerstos Semra. But, later, especially after the Ethio-Eritrean war, the relation became very distant.

Berhanawit

tad said...

Birhanawit:
I am talking about principle not an isolated incident. As a matter of fact I don't want to put myself in to the 750yrs historical argument and as an EOC follower I choose to believe he was a bishop. But, that isolated incident shouldn't move us from the mainstream clergical order and disciple. That is why, after the death of Abune Teklehaimanot, our early fathers waited so long until 1958 to assume the first ordrly bishophood for EOC.
God bless

Anonymous said...

Tad,

We have already moved away from the Copt order and the mainstream order is Menbere Teklehaymanot. An order which is based on a lie (on Fitha Negest) should not be given a title of "mainstream" because a lie cannot be mainstream.

Now, we should pay attention not to move into another false "mainstream"- the Roman or the Greek hegemony.

Please my dear, read page 401 of the Songs of David on this link:-

http://www.archive.org/stream/commentaryonpsal02nealuoft#page/401/mode/1up

You will see how Qerlos (Cyril) of Alexandria and Qelemntos (Clement) of Alexandria compare us with the serpent (Snake)in the Garden of Eden. They believe we are devils and they have clearly written that- "Ethiopians are devils".

If you like, I could show you a recent document where they indirectly called us "stupid" and "calling Christ with zeal, but not in Christ's way" in their commentary on book of numbers (Orit Zehulqu andimta).

How can we worship with them if they believe we are devils and hate us this much? We absolutely can't! They wanted to "worship" in lie with us, only to take Gold to their country. That is it!

Regards,

Berhanawit

tad said...

To Melkamu;
In addition to what put forward by Birhanawit
"Why Eritrean have their Patriarch?", it is becaus people think that bishophood is a political appointee, and I remenber that their first patriarch,Abune Philipos, fled Ethiopia and went to Asmera when shabia took over power there. EOC, evethough there was a choas, didn't even get a chance to discuss things and that is where I don't like what Abune Shenouda did.
Dear Orthodoxiawian, do you know what is happening right now in Eritrea,Isaas Afeworki put the patriarch in jail and appointed another one, the same habesha blood. That is my argument. We are not ready to assume the bishophood, because our menekosat are not up to the job. In the latst 17yrs, since Abune Paulos assumed patriarchhood, we lost 7millions members to proteestant and muslim. That is we were losing 1128 members every single day for the lat 17yrs. Can you see where we will be heading in the next 50yrs if we don't change the situation.That is what makes me nervous and frustrated. Our bishops are extremly irresponsible and negligent. Please let us wake up and challenge ourselves and say" yes we can " to change the course, otherwise we will be in the wrong side of history.
May God the Almighty duide us at this troubling time.

Melkamu said...

Thanks, and God bless you for your prompt response, dear Berhanawit!

It's amazing to learn how foolish we've been all this time. Our Lord told us, "Be Wise as Serpents - Harmless as Doves". But we seem to be too generous with our enemies. Is it out of laziness? may be Indiffernce? Lack of knowledge?

Our enemies are waiting for the appropriate time to wage a genocide against our fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters. They are ready to burn our churches and destroy our Christian heritage, yet we're still under anesthesia, denying to see what's going on around. We hear, in Nigeria, the enemies of God have just slaughtered many people. What a tragedy!

On Eritrea, how is it possible for a true Church to follow the examples of the Secular world? Aren't the so-called "Eritreans" spiritually Ethiopians too? Doesn't the Holy Bible talk about you, me and them as Children of Ethiopia? Even Ukrainians (Ukrainian Orthodox Church)who are famous for their nationalism, still belong to the Patriarchate of the Moscow (Russian Orthodox Church). Over there, it's the Orthodox Church who has got a big influence on the government. Although they have been under the blind system of Communism for so long, may be we need to learn from them how to reorganize our spiritual institutions, and how deal with the enemies.

One more question:

Any news about the recent incident in Dessie?

May the Lord bless the soul of those "Martyrs"!

Melkamu said...

Thans, dear Tad! Please do continue informing us!

Melkamu said...

Thanks!

tad said...

Birhanawit:
I can see you point now and I agree with you there were a lot of deception and meanous in the past. There are a lot of areas where some of the past commentaries and "Gedl books" makes me uncomfortable both by copts and even EOC. For sure that have to be corrected. Regarding the power struggle took place in the 4th and 5th centuries it is pity and sad, but I don't think we can fix it now except getting the right lesson from it for the future. So, please get my point and let us focus on what we agree more instead of we don't.
Thanks

Henok said...

Ethiopia, by the Grace of God, is abundantly rich in religion, culture, and ethnicity as well as natural resources. But because of our denial and abandonment, as Ethiopians, of our inherent commitment to the True Ethiopianness, we are enduring the consequences. We face problems of spiritual and physical poverty, social, economic, health crisis, and political strife to the extent of waging fratricidal wars...

To overcome these man-made hardships and help Ethiopia reach full potential, we need first and foremost, complete individual and national, mental and spiritual revival and renewal, by transforming ourselves from within through genuine REPENTANCE that invigorates our wholeness and restores the integrity in each one of us so that we really be changed for the better and become True Ethiopians.

So let's all Ethiopians and those concerned come together, to pray and fast for the fulfillment of these commitments that will bring about the Mercy of God.

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Henok said...

Visit: www.selamforethiopia.com

ewnetu said...

http://www.thetruthfighter.net/

Anonymous said...

Dear Deje selam I am disappointed when you present this idea for discussion. Why do you add another confusion and unnecessary arguments.
To my big sister Birhanawit, I can see you are deluded with this Ethiopian concept of Kibure Nibure Ed Ermias. I have read all his books. I respect him for he has clearly depicted for the forgotten prophecy of God through our fore fathers that Ethiopia shall be the kingdom of God and its people shall be ruled by Kings annointed by the Holy spirit and for promoting so many conservative ideas for the future Ethiopia. But in some respects He went too far on the concept of Ethiopia and I have a lot to disagree and you seem to be completely brainwashed by this man. The Egyptians have done a lot of wrong things on our church but forgive me they represent one of the amazing real christians on earth and they are also our christian brothers no matter how they did wrong to us. Whether they did wright or wrong and the subsequent judgment should be left to God not to us. We are expected to love them unconditionally. That idea of looking back to alexandria is crazy and should not be raised at all but you know as a christian we should narrow our differences: forget the past, work hard and wisely so that the same mistake would not happen again between us and the coptic church
Finally my big sister birhanawit please clear your delusion on the concept of Ethiopia and in some of your comments you spread hatred to our sister churches and unnecessary , unchristian pride to the people of our church like the " Zionist" of Jews.
May the LORD clear all this confusion and all christians be in the right track.

Henok said...

We Ethiopians consider Jerusalem as our place of birth, because of MELCHIZEDEK, who is the patriarch of Ethiopianism. This is confirmed by the word of the Pslmist in which he said, "Glorious things are spoken of you, O city of God (Jerusalem), ...Behold, Phlistia and Tyre and the ETHIOPIANS: These were BORN there."

Look what are they doing to us... so called our brothers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpEuDuUdPfM

Anonymous said...

My dear brother Henock

Look I am not going to argue on the unexplored truth of Ethiopia because I beleive our country is a mysterious land of God not only for foreigners but also for us.God has time to reveal all truth on every inch of the country and of course the world too.understanding Ethiopia the way you explained it from the bible at this time will only create un necessary arguments. I prefer to keep my mouth shut rather than talking about Ethiopianism, the way Nibure ED put it. If it is true and is from God, It will be revealed some day and every body will agree with out division or confusion but if it is a personal fantasy from really amazing and genuine Ethiopian but a little beat obsessed with the concept of Ethiopia, It will continue to confuse and divide us and to only increase the differences from other people on this planet.

If you believe and respect the second order of the ten commandements which was made perfect by six additional orders from our saviour,Every man kind on earth is our brother or sister and we need to exercise providing un reserved love and respect for all man kind leave alone the christians
Now,has the coptic church not made so many conspiracies on our church? yes they made so many wrong things on our church. Is'nt painful? very painful. But Shall we mention it now and then so that the coming generation will regard them as a historical enemy like the fascist Italy? definitely not.
you see, we are now free to lead our selves although we are still mentally or conceptually divided because of the legacy of the coptic church. Let's forget the past let's not project our fingers to others, that is not going to solve our problems. Let's repent and pray that some day a man like Abune Tekle haymanot will be born again and He will be the beloved Abune not only for US but also for the sister Christians.( do not forget that Abune Tekle Haymanot is one of the most respected saints in Alexandria and infact they have a big church and web site in the name of this saint of Ethiopia and we also know that Abune Gebre Menfes Kidus, an Egyptian saint, is well Known and respected in Ethiopia than Egypt, isn't (the work of God) amazing? Let's contemplate spiritually with love and respect and pray so that we can be free from fleshy thoughts.)

May God Bless us all.

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